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K-State Basketball

Shane Southwell hasn't had the breakout season we had been hoping to see, struggling to adjust to what was supposed to be an increased role this year.

Once again, Peter has an excellent preview of this Saturday's K-State/Texas showdown.

Frank Martin sent a letter to K-State students yesterday, acknowledging that he needs to cut down on the profanity on the sidelines, and asking that they do the same in the stands. After attending four games this season, I can honestly say I had no idea what this letter was referencing until I asked some people.

Big 12 Conference

It sounds like West Virginia and the Big East have reached a settlement. West Virginia will pay $11 million to the conference, while the Big 12 will kick in the other $9 million, probably to be paid out of Texas A&M's and Missouri's liquidated damages. Meanwhile, the Big 12 will release its 2012 football schedule today.

College Football Playoff

Dr. Saturday has a few suggestions for the proposed four-team college-football playoff.

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Out of curiosity...
[A]cknowledging that he needs to cut down on the profanity on the sidelines, and asking that they do the same in the stands

In your informed opinion, which is more likely?

Good question

I’m not sure I have an informed opinion and I don’t really mind the profanity myself.

If I had to make a guess I’d say that Frank would be the more likely of the two to cut it out. I may be speaking as a minority here though.

I agree with you here...

mainly because with Frank we are talking about one person as opposed to hundreds or a thousand.

The earth will crash into the sun before either stops
Actually, both would stop before the earth crashed into the sun.

Because before we reached the surface of the sun, the atmosphere would be burned off and all life on earth would cease, thus stopping any form of cussing.

/nerded

Sounds like you've been watching a lot of History Channel

and their “end of Days” type shows.

But you are totally correct. :)

Elementary, my dear Sharp.

Just an overactive imagination.

Though I do like making fun of the History Channel:

I LOVE this guy!

He’s funny.

Such terrible hair
But he intentionally wears it like that

which is why it is so funny.

That man has to go through a lot of gel

just to look really stupid….

/flockofseagulls

The hair get's fluffier as the show goes on.
So sad....noone got my joke

:-(

The History Channel really is the shittiest aspect of American culture, isn't it?

There is rarely anything that a halfway competent high school history teacher would consider legit for her class.

Oh you'd be suprised.

I had this one teacher who took at least 15 minutes at the beginning of class to read us email forwords.

You take that back!

The British Top Gear is like a millions time better.
And I'd still rather watch TG USA over about anything on any other station

I’ve really enjoyed the first two actual episodes of this season of TG UK, but their India special was awful.

Shrugs

I’ve just always enjoyed reruns of it on BBC America

What? There are actually very good programs on that channel.

And I’m not talking about UFO’s, Bigfoot or the Boogie Man either.

A lot of it anymore isn't

But once in a while they come thru with something of true brillance, i.e. “America The Story of Us”

They do tend to mess stuff up on

“How The States Get Their Shapes” though…

Yeah shrugs...

That’s still better than that damn Logging show or “Swamp People” or especially Ice Road Truckers…what’s that got to do with ffing history?

Ancient Aliens is still the best series on History!

Aside from crazy-haired opinions, there is a ton of great information.

I like that show as well.

Take it with a grain of salt (which is generally good advice for ANYTHING in any form of media), but I definitely find it interesting.

I also like Decoded.

Frank might just do whatever the frack he wants.

/sarcasm

Is Southwell gone after this season?
He's not a senior
He meant will Shane transfer like so many have.

I don’t think so. I certainly hope not.

I don't think so.

You could see the writting on the wall with the other guys, I don’t get the same feeling from Shane.

I agree ^

I actually don’t get that feeling from any of the guys this year, though I will be interested to see how they get the Lithuanian in on scholly.

Maybe he pulls a Bill Snyder and greyshirt’s the kid for a year until he has another scholarship. I have heard talk that he may go to prep school for a year because of grades…

I would be shocked if Frank doesn't run someone off to make room for him.
Maybe JO?
I'll bet Lawrence or Watson are the two run off.
That would be my guess...
Yeah, but they wouldnt have any time to transfer anywhere else

JO hasnt developed like they thought he would. Plus Diaz is much farther along than JO, and you are bring in two more big men. Frank needs to keep as many guards and small forwards as he can, he’ll have plenty of big men.

JO is far and away a better shot blocker than Diaz.

There is more than one aspect of playing good basketball. And scoring is not the only metric that measures success.

I knew Frank was loud (who didn't)

But I don’t think I’ve ever heard anything bad about him as far as the language he was using.

He drops the F bomb quite a lot (or used to anyway)

and it was clearly obvious that’s what he was saying when the camera would be trained on him going into a timeout as he was yelling at someone for any particular reason.

It was a criticism of his by the media when he first took over, but there really hasn’t been much mention here lately.

Schedule may not be coming today

according to this source.

I will start the speculation with a theory that it won’t come out today because now that the big east has listed their price of exit, Louisville and Cincinnati are coming with them.

This is based on nothing in particular.

I will accept this speculative theory as incontrovertible fact.

And will spread it around the internets citing “unnamed sources”.

Congratulations, you are now an unnamed source.

HA!

I like your line of thinking. :)

i've always wanted to be an unamed source...thank you
Just released

proposed rule changes by the NCAA for football

I don’t like the changing of the kickoff line (are we in HS again??), plue moving the touchback line to the 25. I know they are looking to make these things safer, but at this point we might as well bubble wrap the kids, throw some flags on them, and disallow any form of touching.
Its a CONTACT sport for a reason. And it’s that contact that people go to games to see. I’m all for protecting the players, limiting late hits and spearing, but c’mon noone wants to see powderpuff touch football…..

haven't read the rules yet

but how does moving the touchback line from the 20 to the 25 make it any safer? I mean, this just shortens the field for the offense by 5 yards if the other team’s kicker has a big leg. Again, without checking out the actual link yet, this sounds totally arbitrary and dumb.

According to the explanation given

its supposed to promote taking touchbacks, in an effort to lower injuries resulting from kick returns

Exactly.

It makes it less “cost-effective” to take a kick out of the endzone, because you have to have a 25+ yard return to even get past break-even.

Freak accidents and injuries will happen

but serious injuries occur simply because of poor technique and lack of fundementals. I spend 4 years getting my kids in junior football to keep their head up when they tackle because you GREATLY reduce your chance of a concussion and more importantly a neck / spine injury if you do so. However, any college / pro game you watch has players dropping their head all the time (looking at you Polamalu).

Want fewer injuries? Flag them every time they drop their head – I don’t care if it is on the tackler or the ball carrier. Sorry for the vent, but it is a pet peave since it is easily correctable.

Makes sense

at least to a guy who has never played a snap of football in his life.

Does nerf count?
I guess I have played sandlot football

but the whole idea behind why i even did that was so my friends and I could pummel this one kid that none of us really liked. It was fun.

Agreed

to all of that ^

It also doesn't hurt to see what you are trying to tackle...or to keep your head in front...or to drop your hips, wrap up and drive through contact.

Tha is why I get worked up about fundementals – good tackling and running is safe tackling and running.

I wish someone would have taught

that to Tysyn Hartman……

and probably makes it a bit easier to make a good tackle

again, coming from someone who has never actually done it before.

And this is something we ALL would like to see improve next year…good tackling.

reading the proposed changes now

So, umm, didn’t the kick-off USED to take place from the 35 yard line, and they moved it to the 30 several years ago to encourage FEWER touchbacks and more returns? So, essentially what they are saying is they goofed up and want to switch it back.

And I get the touchback thing now. It is more effective to take the touchback and gain 25 yards instead of running out of the endzone and gaining 18 yards.

Yeah, I think they also moved it back because

so many kicks were going out of the back of the endzone. This is why the NFL line was like the 25 for a long time, because Kickers (often) get stronger as they get older.

So lemme get this straight

In college it used to be the 35, but there were too many touchbacks, so they move it to the 30.

The NFL used to be the 25, but there were too many returns (and injuries) so they move it to the 30.

Now there are too many injuries in college, so they are going to move it back to the 35 (IIRC, pretty much all of the coaches OPPOSED the change from 35 to 30 back when it happened).

At the beginning of the year, in the NFL, I remember there being a LOT of touchbacks. But then as the season went on, it seemed like players (return specialists) were getting tired of not being able to do their job, so they started taking them out even when they were 9 yards deep anyway. Would be interesting to look at the numbers to see if the trend really did change as the season progressed (like it appeared to through my observations).

I just think it is humorous how NCAA and NFL had completely different reasons for making the changes at the time the change was originally made (I remember the NCAA touting that moving to the 30 would make the game more entertaining by promoting more returns and fewer touchbacks).

I must correct myself

The NFL line was the 30, they changed their rules last year to move it to the 35

As you can see HERE the new proposed NCAA rule clearly mimics the NFL rules

I thought you must have meant that WAY back in the day it was the 25

then it moved to the 30 at some point, and this before this season was changed to the 35.

Because I thought it was odd that College used to be 35, but changed to 30, and NFL used to be 30, but changed to 35.

The rule is now the same, and they are actually using the same reasoning now. which I’m fine with. The biggest problem I had with the difference was that NFL was spouting safety as their reason, and NCAA was claiming added excitement and special teams play. When the NFL made the rule change, I remember I commented about the difference in reasoning for the rules, and I believe BlackCats said something to the effect of “Well, the NFL pays a lot of money to those players so safety should be a concern, and of course the NCAA doesn’t pay the college players, so who cares about safety” (and there was a great deal of sarcasm in the response as well).

Yawn...

Might as well go to the fridge during KOs if this goes through.

Also, is it just me

or are the rules regarding punting (blocking someone into the punter, etc) and kick returning (having someone blocked into a returner, opportunity to catch the ball, etc) just getting more and more complicated. So much so that there is so much interpretation allowed by the officials that a player really has no idea what he can and can’t do anymore? I know I’m totally confused as to what would result in a flag and what would not (aside from not even attempting to block a punt of tackle a returner)

Again, its about safety

but it just seems to be more confusing all the time. Like the “Halo” rule. It was about keeping the returner from getting plowed as soon as he caught the ball, but it was hard to enforce because its a judgement call about how close 3-yards is from a distance. It was confusing, and not really helpful, so they dropped it.

More boredom on kickoffs to match the NFL...thanks for nothing NCAA.

This is getting ridiculous. Special Teams are a critical component of football and, as such, should be left alone. The NFL has proven how watching paint dry dull KO returns have become.

Great writeup from BON

Everything in my head says that we’re ready for this match up and will pick up the huge win on Saturday. But the scars on my sporting soul have trained me to expect heartbreak any time Kansas State is involved…

Great stuff. I’m cautiously pessimistic about tomorrow.

Texas will lead by 10 or so points with about 5 minutes left,

before the Cats rip their hearts out and beat them by 3 with a 17-5 run to end it. The Sporting Gods would have it no other way.

Would love to see it happen this way

It has been a while since we have snatched victory from the jaws of defeat

correct...that is exactly what has been happening to us though.

Would be a great confidence builder going into Monday’s game to know that we are able to fight back from down 10 and actually win instead of getting close and then giving up another big run to the other team.

We will continue to win against UT until the "experts" finally acknowledge that K-State is the favorite.

Then the worm will turn.

As a K-State fan, I feel the same way sometimes.
But the scars on my sporting soul have trained me to expect heartbreak any time Kansas State is involved…

Pavlov’s dog and all that.

Why is this so true?

It is so heartbreaking because just when it feels like we are on a roll, something terrible happens.

Emma's Law

If you haven’t been following the saga of Emma and her refusal to color a KU Jayhawk for Kansas Day, well checkout yesterday’s comments in the slate.

In light of this ridiculous segment of the required curriculum by the State of Kansas, I propose Emma’s Law.

Teachers should teach about jayhawkers, but this should be the picture the kids color.

Remember Osceola!
On that note

if you listen to pro-Jayhawkers, all they talk about is the sacking of Lawrence (in 1856) when a group of pro-slavery Kansans burnt down the Free State hotel and killed a guy, like it was some massive raid perpetrated by Missourians (very not true on that count). John Brown then led a massacre in eastern Kansas that killed several pro-slavery settlers.

In 1861, as a part of a counter towards Gen. Price’s moves in Missouri, a group of Jayhawkers sacked (and pillaged) the Missouri town of Osceola. This eventually (sort of) led to the Quantril raid on Lawrence in 1863. After which, our very own Issac Goodnow (co-founder of Manhattan and K-State) said it was a much nicer town afterwards (HA). Quantril was a sadistic, cold-blooded murder, from OHIO not Missouri (nor ever really lived in MO), and killed people on both sides of the border, and in Arkansas.

People have a tendency to see only the things that give their story support, and not all fo the things that make the story true…

/historianed
//justmadeupaword
///BOOM

I said never really lived there

and by that I mean I wouldn’t call him a Permanent resident. He “lived” in MO off and on for quite a while, including nearly all the Civil War, but he was at best transient whitout a place you could call his “home”

Weren't most of the man that rode with Quantrill from Kentucky?

Or is that me just making up a thought?

Several were, yes

there we also guys from Kansas, Arkansas, Tennessee, Texas and other places

When you say Jayhawker, the Colonel from "Glory" comes to mind.

And not in a good way.

Wait are we talking about the Kentucky guy in that movie?

Or what?

No the colonel that helps fire the town of Darien Georgia was a Jayhawker.
I should say orders the firing...while Broderick's character the Colonel from Massachusetts...

at first refuses considering immoral.

Well the guy said he learned how to handle black men in Kentucky right before that is what I remembered

But yeah, he pretty much states he’s a Jayhawker now that I remember.

Yeah the general says something to the effect...

Here’s so and so…he’s a real Jayhawker from Kansas.

Shrugs

All I remember from that movie is Denzel, Robin Hood: Men in Tights guy, Morgan Freeman, and Matthew Broderick’s character being pretty much a total pussy.

Hamburger update.

Smashburger has the best burgers.
In-N-Out has the best fries.

My rankings of burgers: Smashburgers, Vista, 5Guys, In-N-Out, Griffs, …., McDonalds/What-a-burger.

My rankings of fries: In-N-Out, 5Guys, Smashburgers, Vista, Griffs, McDonalds … What-a-burger.

Still not a fan of What-a-burger and Chick-fil-a has the best chicken.

Now to either eat healthy or find the local hamburger places.

Smashburger burgers are ok.

Personally I like the burgers from the Vortex (it is a restaurant found only in Atlanta) the best.

There is, in my opinion, no french fry that comes close to competing with Freddy’s.

Never had In-N-Out or Griffs. Don’t know that I have had Whataburger.

I like the Chick-Fil-A spicy chicken sandwich, but Wendy’s version is also good (totally different method of cooking though, and the pressure fried method, with pickle juice, that Chick-Fil-A employs is why they are so juicy).

Griffs is a hamburger joint in Irving that is not all that good but edible.

I’ve never tried Freddy’s, might have to.

Not sure if I’ll ever be in Atlanta anytime soon. Tomorrow is Chuy’s in Austin.

Red...Robin.
Ooooooo

The Royal. Yummy.

Overpriced

not original enough

Red Robin is ok

but honestly, the different kinds of burgers you can get at the Vortex blow Red Robin out of the water. They are also one of those places that has a great atmosphere, as you can tell from the sarcasm in the menu.

Umm....Fudruckers?
Fuddruckers is good

but you’ve got to be careful how you say it.

(sorry, that’s an inside joke. My grandma says that every time Fuddruckers is mentioned by anyone)

There's this one place in a town that i go phesant hunting in.

Its called Pinky’s everything but the hamburgers suck, but I still love eating while watching a k-state game.

You all need to try Big D's Burger Shack in Manhattan

but nothing compares to Whistler’s Burgers in Carthage, MO……mmmmmmmmmm

Too few people have been there apparently

Those Burgers and especially those fries about give me a heart attack each and every time.

At least they use Call Hall meat...

so you should at least support that

Where is it?
On Tuttle Creek Blvd

just north of the Short Stop, same side of the road

I will be there Monday.
Here ya go

Facebook Page

and i guess only the ice cream comes from Call Hall

meat (Clay Center) and cheese (Alma…mmmm) are still local though

We tried at one point to start selling them "Weber Hall" meat

It doesn’t come from Call Hall though we do sell out of there. But yeah they were loyal to their Clay Center source. We did for a while anyway(I’m not even sure if we still do or not)sell our ground beef to So Long.

I would much rather buy my meat from the source,

then going through Call Hall. Do you guys have some sort of minimum?

Not really I don't think

Technically you can order straight from us, but there’s really no difference. Meat still sits in the blast freezer either way. We usually do special orders for events, like tailgating and stuff.

I'm on the Wall for eating the Cowboy

/kindveabigdeal

Now I'm gonna have to go

just to see if I can figure out who you are

Key location:

It’s under the picture that sits above the table right by the door. Also it says I did it for someone else.

I believe it is either where, or very near where DK's Donuts used to be.
Smashburger closed.

In Manhattan at least.

Also

Cozy Inn rocks. Think White Castle but better.

Comes with the disclaimer that you will smell like onions the rest of the day if you go inside. Use the walk up window.

I never even got over there to try them out. Nuts.
Really?

When did this happen?

This

they looked open last time I went by…

Tuesday or Wednesday morning

Franchisee walked in, cleaned out the registrar and safe then shut ’er down.

Oh wow...

sounds like an unplanned thing

Yup

Still trying to out the story together. May never know.

I feel really bad for the workers there

probably won’t see their final paychecks…

Interesting.

The SmashBurger in Derby didn’t even last this long. The service was horrible and they never had a crowd.

Smashburger in Manhattan was quite popular I thought?

I think it seems to be more of a corporate thing than anything. Sort of like Shakes, if this closing stuff is the case.

Seriously?

When? I had food from there within the past month. I was just at Best Buy tonight and didn’t notice if it was open or closed.

Best Buy, DD, Whataburger?

You youths have all the choices. I kind of miss the old days of the mom/pop restaurants in Manhattan. Although we did have the #2 Pizza Hut in the country (probably gone now).

Nah, it's still in Aggieville

Though the bastards stopped being open late on Christmas Eve, thus ruining our family tradition. It’s now definitely the oldest operating Pizza Hut out there.

#2 is down by Bob's Diner, Long John Silver's and Sonic.
Uhm, then that hasn't been there in quite a long time(there's a new one over by Freddy's now)

I don’t even think I can remember that from my childhood visiting Manhattan as often as I did. Still, the one in Aggieville is the oldest/longest operating one. Which is pretty cool.

If it's what I'm thinking of

it used to be approximately where Hy-Vee is. The Wendy’s used to be there as well. At the north end of the steel mill.

Oh, so it was removed when they cleared out the Steel Mill.

Then I might barely recall it. I kinda miss that Steel Mill, but maybe that’s just me.

It's just you.
Sigh, I liked Manhattan when it had that backwards small town charm.

It doesn’t have anything like that now.

When was the last time you were in Manhattan?

just curious.

In N Out behind 5 Guys????????

Say it ain’t so Anon.

Here's my letter for the evening. (I know no politics on BOTC)

use of Jayhawk in Kansas Day teaching at the elementary level.

I’m not sure if you have heard about this story or not,
http://bugbytesdotnet.wordpress.com/2012/01/28/emma-got-in-trouble-at-school/

Essentially though the coloring of a jayhawk has nothing to do with the State of Kansas and everything to do with the University of Kansas. As the wikipedia article ,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayhawker, shows the term is actually related to guerrilla warfare and not a mascot for the state of Kansas.

I urge you to submit legislation that ensures that K-State is also represented in Kansas Day celebrations or that Kansas day celebration only include factual teaching about the term Jayhawker and not propaganda relating to a certain school.

I think all the Manhattan area reps should support this, I’ve already sent it to one rep.

I actually wrote a binding resolution

Need to revise it a little and then I’m sending it to all KSU legislators…and the western Ag guys who didn’t go to college…high percentage of KSU fans.

If you include Pitt-State, ICT-State, Ft Hays-State ... I think there would be enough votes to get it through.
I still kinda think that would be excessive at that point.

But either do it for all of our public state universities, or don’t do it at all.

So, after reading the Wiki article

pretty much any KU fan who actually uses the historical meaning of Jayhawker as reasoning, or justification for their team, I say let them. It is totally not a term of endearment or one to be proud of (IMO).

And we can always refer to them as War of Yankee Agression Terrorists.
Yeah, see my "History Lesson" above
Getting ready to head south to the game.

I’m excited and I might be able to log in to make an occasional comment in the open game thread although I shan’t try to keep up with reading what is posted.

Thanks TB for the heads up on where to eat.

Hope you like it!

But I’m pretty confident you will.

on UT campus

At least 10 purple people I’ve seen already

i was hoping to find a more relevant place to post this, but

Yesterday ( Saturday for me)) while standing in a parking garage on the lower level of some luxury condos on the Gold Coast (city south of Brisbane)here in Australia (I’m on vacation for the next13 days), my wife spotted a window sticke and power at on the back window of a jeep Cherokee with an Aussie plate. We have photo evidence too. Any way sucks to see us drop a game at bramlage south….plus big Monday for me will be like big Tuesday afternoon

Enjoy the Gold Coast. I loved it. Isn't this the rainy season there? Or are you far enough south that you can avoid it?

I didn’t bother to check when monsoon season was the last time I was there, and boy did I regret it.

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