Thanks to Anon for taking care of the links yesterday.
K-State Football
He's not a vocal leader, but Arthur Brown has invigorated K-State's defense this season. And he'll be back at middle linebacker next season for the Wildcats, in case there was any doubt.
This headline presented without further comment: "After tough year, Chris Cosh turns K-State's defense around."
Is K-State primed for a second run of bowl games under Bill Snyder?
K-State Basketball
Even without class in session, the old barn down the river will be jumping for K-State's visit tomorrow night. Tickets available.
Rush the Court checks in on the Big 12 just in time for conference play to begin, and gives its new year's resolutions for the top half of the conference.
Big 12 Basketball
Conference play began last night with Baylor's 61-52 home win over Texas A&M. The game wasn't that close, but Baylor let the Aggies back in the game in the second half.
Big 12 Football
The Big 12 is now 6-1 in bowl games after Oklahoma State beat Stanford in overtime in the Fiesta Bowl.
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The two BCS games yesterday were really exciting games
for the most part. And with the two best BCS games now done, I feel no need to tune into ESPN/ABC for the two joke games and the SECWest Champ(Part II) game. I would tune in to Fox on Friday, but I will already be in Dallas, utilizing my (cheap) student ticket for the game :-)
After watching those games, it appears Oregon is headed straight for a clash with USC for the PAC-12 title next year, Okie State is headed for a 8-9 win campaign after loosing their two best players on offense (one who tied a Fiesta Bowl record held by Darnell McDonald…), same with Wisky and Stanford. Of those latter three, I would say that Wisconsin probably has the most pieces already in place for another run at the B1G Championship, mostly because they have the best returning D of the three.
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Yeah, but Russell Wilson is one and done.
I think he really elevated that offense. Plus, they lost their OC to Pittsburgh.
I don’t think OSU will drop off as much as people think. That’s what everyone said after Robinson graduated and Bryant went pro, and look what happened instead.
Chelf’s been in the system for two years behind Weeden and the defense can’t help but be better.
If I’m an Okie Lite fan, I like where they are going forward a hell of a lot better than where Baylor is, for instance.
BracketCat - January 3, 2012
Agreed
My thought was that Wisconsin’s D will be able to carry a weaker O better than a revamped O at OSU carrying a weaker D. But I agree with your assessment as well
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
After what they did following Robinson/Bryant with Weeden/Blackmon ...
I pretty much expect Gundy to come back with Montana/Rice.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
Lol
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Well they are working hard for Sanders II so that is part of the puzzle.
Catbacker98 - January 3, 2012
I never really saw Arthur as the type to leave this team early
especially with all the work he put in last season. Yeah, He would probably be a 3-4 round pick, but he doesnt seem to be chasing the money (he did, after all, leave Miami…). It almost seemed preposterous that someone would even ask him that, but I am no reporter.
Now my curiosity with the draft does extend to the “other” Brown. I wonder if he will actually declare and try to get drafted on talent alone (probably a late 7th pick by Oakland), or if Arthur can put some sense into him (and convince HCBS to give Bryce one more shot), and have BB come back next year as a solid part of the stable of backs that HBCK sometimes handsoff/pitches too.
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Doesn't seem that preposterous to me.
In fact, I a m pleasantly relieved that he chose to come back. at the beginning of the season it seemed like a sure-thing that he would turn pro after this year.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
I just never saw it as a "sure thing"
not with Arthur anyway. Players I could have seen with big years leaving early: Bryce Brown, Chris Harper
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
I thought it seemed that way at the beginning of the season.
That perception, of course, depended on the type of season he had. While Arthur did have a great season, I think it wasn’t as great as many predicted early on, largely because of that mid season injury he battled through that made him a bit slow in a couple of games.
I guess I just don’t think it was that ridiculous of a question to ask.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
It was ridiculous in my mind, but I understand why some people dont
I’m not saying it was a stupid question, just one I felt did not even need to be asked. But, like I said, I’m no reporter
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
From my perspective, Harper is a victim of the system we play.
I don’t think he gets enough respect as a receiver, as a go-to guy, especially from the talking heads. I would hate to have gone without him this season. I think he’s been a major factor of where we are now and not just because of the TD catches.
ArkieCat - January 3, 2012
Agree - I think Harper will play on Sunday's
Furnace76 - January 3, 2012
He can already make all the catches
and runs NFL caliber routes. Perfect example was the comeback route on the TD catch against Texas. Perfect execution, great catch, and great awareness to get both feet inbounds.
Plus he has size. He is going to be another Hines Ward style receiver. Not a burner, but a guy you can always depend on to make a catch, take a hit, and get up and do it again the next play.
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Agree - Harper is a stud and will have a nice career at the next level
His size, strength, athleticism and ability to move his body while in the air combined together make him a mismatch for corners at this level and will in the NFL, too.
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
Another year of production
probably moves Arthur’s stock up in the draft for next year. He’s making the smart choice and he’ll get far more attention and hype in 2012 than he did during the 2011 season what with K-State coming off a 10-2 regular season.
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
I think Arthur made the right choice. However, he's going to play OLB in the NFL.
If he can get through the whole season healthy, my God, he’ll put up some beastly numbers.
I do have concerns about the LB spot vacated by Lamur. He had a lot of skills that we could leverage. Great tackler, and due to his experience as a safety, he was a more than adequate pass coverage LB.
We’ll miss him a lot.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
How do you think Tuggle will fair?
Catbacker98 - January 3, 2012
I'm expecting him to be a solid back-up, possibly starting late in the season
He simply doesn’t know LB
Sean T - January 3, 2012
He'll play some Friday at LB.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
He's got the at-home coaching to fix that
and he seems like a good-enough athlete to overcome some lack of fundamentals
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
I was going to say
I don’t think you grow up in that household and not know the LB position at all.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
You nailed my concerns regarding the loss of Lamur, too, Pan
I think people wildly underestimate what Lamur brought to the defense in terms of having a linebacker who could play pass coverage quite well. Particularly down the stretch of the season (he was huge in the Texas game). When K-State was in the middle stretch of the season where Tre Walker was often off the field in the 4-2-5 package, it was Lamur out there covering (well) in space. That is a very tough quality to replace and something all the more necessary when playing in the Big-12 conference.
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
I think one skill that Tuggle could bring in (if he gets the start)
is the ability to read QB’s and routes. Thats not something that most defensive players are coached on to the level that Tuggle has been. If he develops, he could fill the void left by Lamur quite nicely…if
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
On Tre
I think he can fill that gap…we just don’t know how that kid can pass cover, never really got to see him try. Obviously Lamur was better, but how much? Hard to quantify. Give him an off-season and we shall see. I just think Tre is a smart kid and has a great work ethic that I’m not so sure the void left by Lamur will end up being as drastic as one might think. I’m not trying to discredit what Lamur has done, b/c he did great for only playing LB for a season (well I guess some at the Pinstripe Bowl too).
GTcat - January 3, 2012
Thats part of my thinking why it didn't even phase him not to come back
noone was talking about him, the draft “guru’s” didnt even have him listed as possible.
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
I'm just curious how many K-State players from the Snyder eras have left early
It can’t be many and I can’t think of any off the top of my head, even though a lot of our players don’t fit in a traditional NFL system on offense there had to be a few on defense.
EMAW 4 Ever - January 3, 2012
Terry Pierce is the only one that comes to mind that left early
MeatGeek - January 3, 2012
Jeremetrius Butler
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
who had a nice career in the NFL
Sean T - January 3, 2012
Yes, he did ...
He is the one who left early that I consider a success story. And I was totally mystified at his move at the time. But he had a solid NFL career. More than any non-all american should reasonably hope for.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
Yeah, he was a pretty productive starting NFL corner for quite awhile
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
it was decent
till he got hurt
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Cris Canty left early too
Furnace76 - January 3, 2012
dang there was the one I could remember
GTcat - January 3, 2012
Almost like it was mentioned below.
Catbacker98 - January 3, 2012
I saw that seconds later
GTcat - January 3, 2012
And he regretted it soon after
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Chris Canty left early I believe.
Perhaps Newman as well.
Catbacker98 - January 3, 2012
No, Newman went all five years.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
Did Cooper leave early? I don't think he did, just asking though.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
He didn't.
He almost got killed by his own pet snake, though.
And he got hit by a car in Aggieville.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
sweet.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
And the record speaks against leaving early for Snyder players
Pierce, Canty, Butler—all out of the NFL after a few years of sub-par performances and traveling through several teams.
Players that stayed and graduated had (or are having) good careers: Cartwright, Newman, Sproles, McGraw, Lilja, Clary, Nelson, Banks (to name a few)
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
I don't know how much you can count Banks as a "Snyder" player.
Or, for that matter, Nelson (though obviously more so).
But your point remains a valid one.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
Nelson was "recruited" by Snyder, and spent his first couple years under Snyder
remember, he, along with Jeromy Clary, carried HCBS off the field in ’05
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Hence the "(though obviously more so)" caveat I attached.
But he also spent his junior and senior years under Prince, so my point was that he wasn’t just a “Snyder” kid.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
Agreed
and he probably wouldnt have been big name (or Blinitnikoff winner) without RP’s “air raid” system and Josh Freeman throwing to him
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
But if he hadn't been recruited by Bill Snyder he probably would have never gotten a chance under prince
EMAW 4 Ever - January 3, 2012
Right
Though I think you’re just circling back to my point a couple comments ago.
He was spotted and brought in by Snyder, and created into a WR by Snyder, then RP/Freeman took him and made him look really good for a couple years. RP wouldn’t have landed the kid, but he would probably not have been a “big name” under Snyder…the systems are just too different
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
I actually disagree with that.
Nelson was turning into a big WR in Snyder’s last year. That was his break-out year with Alan Evridge under center.
He actually took a step back in his junior year under Prince. I think Nelson would have done fine under Snyder.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
He wouldnt have had the numbers to be an award winner
under Synder’s system. Quincy Morgan didnt, but was a good receiver, same could be said for others. Snyder molded Nelson, but RP’s system with Freeman at the helm gave him the opportunity for his “big name” senior season
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
If I recall, Nelson was injured somewhat off and on his jr. year.
I don’t think Prince helped him the way he used him during his recovery time. Prince pulled a Snyder and never said anything about Jordy’s status week to week and then just spotted him in and out during games, even using him as a decoy at times.
ArkieCat - January 3, 2012
Josh Moore after the 09 season
I think he was a junior
Sean T - January 3, 2012
But he was never a Snyder player
and I think he left because HCBS made him work too hard. He wasn’t good enough (in my mind) to have left early and I think he got VERY lucky getting drafted at all, let alone in the 5th round. He is still just a back-up for Chicago
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
I would put a caveat on Moore. He had academic issues before and during college.
He fell into our lap because he qualified at the eleventh hour, redshirted after his freshman year because he was a part of that tutor scandal, and I think every year after that was just a blessing he was eligible.
As soon as he could get out, it was probably best he did.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
Just to be clear, I would qualify Snyder era players from1989-2007 and from 2009-present
EMAW 4 Ever - January 3, 2012
From the Haskin article...
It only exists because Arthur Brown allows it to exist…
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
And I like the nicknames
its a presence and confidence thing (the kids call it swagger)—when you are playing well on a consistently high level, you can do things like that…i.e. “The Lynch Mob”
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Sharing this from the K-State Sports Extra for converstation
Another legacy, but a good one like Tyler Lockett. I wouldn’t doubt that he comes to K-State, and even if he is “only” as good as his Dad of defense, he would be a great addition…though if Tyler is any indication (like it could be), he could be better than his “Towel Waving” Dad. And maybe he’ll bring a teammate or two from Texas with him…
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Recruiting Pages
From Rivals (4.3-40?!?!?! Yes please!)
From ESPN
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
He's tiny
Sean T - January 3, 2012
He is still only a junior
so maybe he can pick up a few inches and pounds.
But remember, Rat is only 5’7" and the dude is a BEAST
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
And his only interests are KSU and Youngstown St...
I would hope that we have the edge on YSU seeing as how his dad works here and all.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Got to keep the options open.
I love Bill, but he is going to be the guy who falls down dead at 1am on his way to his car. If Bill goes away, so will his staff. Sometimes it’s hard to remember he’s 72.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
So, I go to the dentist yesterday, and I have a problem with grinding and clenching my teeth.
The dentist asks why. He’s a K-State fan, I’m a K-State fan, so you know, I know he can relate.
I tell him that Chris Cosh is still our defensive coordinator.
Everyone just nods in agreement, and I take my free toothbrush and go home.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
Fully deserving of a rec...
…due to the high truth factor.
gw1754 - January 3, 2012
Now that is funny stuff right there...
Catbacker98 - January 3, 2012
I'm surprised he didn't throw in some floss.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
I have an appliance for that.
Has saved many $ in tooth repairs!
ohiocats84 - January 4, 2012
My appliance is not actually for the Chris Cosh part... ;)
ohiocats84 - January 4, 2012
Has anyone mentioned that Sproles is not the NFL record holder for All-purpose yards in a season?
If not, he is. His 2,696 is a record.
It couldn’t have happened to a better person. Period. Now, he needs to get that ring.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
now and not "not the NFL record holder"
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
I think it was mentioned in yesterday's links.
I know I saw a mention somewhere…and I agree, couldn’t have happened to a better person.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
I mentioned it!!!!
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
sorry, that makes it look like im angry….
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
I had the and no Pro Bowl invite comment...
still an injustice.
Catbacker98 - January 3, 2012
Agreed, so much
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Wild idea
I don’t think this has been mentioned, but with Raheem Morris being fired from the bucs, what if we made him HCIW.
I know the board really likes Jim Leavitt, and I still think he is a better option, but what about Raheem as a plan B option (for our wish list).
The defense was serviceable in the year he was d coordinator at KSU, and I think the buc cover two would be a good defense against the spread. (this may be wrong, but I’m too lazy to look up numbers right now) I do recognize there to be some weakness by relying on a four man rush with that your primary defense, but he started blitzing more the last couple of years.
I don’t know just a thought I had and am bored at the moment.
d_stout - January 3, 2012
Hate it, Hate it, Hate it
Did we not see what happened the last time we hired a someone from outside the program
EMAW 4 Ever - January 3, 2012
Wait, wait, wait a minute...
I’ll accept freedom of speech and opinion on this site, but what I will fight vehemently until my dying breath is, “If he’s not one of Bill’s trusted assistants, he’ll never win here!”
The good ones have all been picked over. They’re all gone. Unless you want Dimel, Sean, Chris Cosh, or Joe Bob as your next head coach, you better rethink this position, and rethink it quickly.
Hint: You do NOT want any of the previously mentioned coaches anywhere near the head coaching position at KSU.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
Also, we won't have a HCIW this time around because Bill wants it to go to Sean, and yeah, do with that what you will.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
I'm flattered, but I have no idea how to run a college football team.
Oh wait, wrong Sean. But I think the statement still applies.
Sean T - January 3, 2012
Both Seans have that in common, too.
BracketCat - January 3, 2012
Sorry, point taken
EMAW 4 Ever - January 3, 2012
I'm just messing with you, but what I'm not messing with is the thought of any of those guys coaching this team. Woof.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
Change scares me
EMAW 4 Ever - January 3, 2012
I don't think I've ever put my theroy on HCBS's replacement on BOTC
But I think that it will be Michael Smith. I know that he is only a WR coach, he has also been a GA and RB coach, under him players like Darren Sproles, Tyler Lockett, Josh Scobey, and David Allen have had good careers. Plus he played for Snyder plus (to the best of my knowledge) he is the leader in time spent under Snyder both playing and coaching. That being said I think I would still rather have Venables or someone with a bigger resume but I think I could live with Michael Smith being our coach.
EMAW 4 Ever - January 3, 2012
I think he's developed into a much, much better coach since he left the first time.
I don’t know when you were in school, but when I was there (‘00-’04), Smith was in Aggieville more than I was. I saw him there on multiple occasions. Now, that’s not to say you can’t have a good time and be a good coach, but I think there has been a maturation process in the last few years for him. He’s always been a very good position coach, and now he’s a very good recruiter as well. I think he’s definitely valuable to have in the program.
If Currie is still here when Bill retires, and I think that’s a less than 50% chance if Bill stays another 3-4 years, I think we’ll go in a completely different direction because Currie is going to want to make the kind of good, splash hire that will get him a job at a school with an enormous budget. Remember, this was the guy that had a hand in bringing both Kiffin and Pearl to Tennessee.
If it’s not Currie, who knows? But if it is, we’re going to get a name of some sort. A mid-major “coach of the moment”, some assistant from a big program, or some displaced coach from an elite program or the NFL that wants to rebuild his name (like Rodriguez or Leach did at Arizona and WSU, respectively). Currie will make sure that happens. He wants to pad that resume something fierce.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
Yes, it will be a Currie hire. Not a Bill hire.
Wonder if that will keep Bill hanging on longer than he normally would have the second time around.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
Please no Kiffin like hires.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
To be fair to the Currie
I believe he was only associate, or assistant AD at Tennessee…so I don’t really know how much involvement he really had with the Kiffin/Pearl hires. (hopefully the kind of experience that makes a guy recognize the red flags several miles away).
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
My thinking too, Jeremy
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
I think Currie will lean on Bill for guidance
at least in someone who fits the “K-State Way”
Not everyone can win here, even a flashy “young gun” coordinator or big name coach. K-State is different, and you have to understand that difference to be able to be successful here. Snyder knows, I’m not sure if Currie knows enough…
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
I think Currie will keep Snyder in the process as much as politically necessary, and no more.
Currie is an aggressive, upwardly mobile career man. He will want that hire to have his fingerprints all over it.
The man is a fantastic and dynamic administrator, and I’m so happy we’ve had him, but if he’s here longer than ten years, it will be because no one wanted to hire him. It will not be because he didn’t try to interview somewhere else.
And he has interviewed elsewhere.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
Oh, I agree that he is looking to make a splash
but I think he is smart enough to realize that this place is different, and only Snyder really knows how different that is. He could have Snyder approve the final list, or he could just ask for some basic thoughts or ideas on what the next coach should look like. Like you said, Snyder will be involved in the process, but I think he will be more involved than maybe you do.
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
I think you're right that he'll have a conversation about what a coach at KSU should have, and he may get his thoughts on successors...
But I can’t stress to all of you how much Bill wants Sean to have that job. Any list Bill gives anyone, or would be approved by Bill, would need to have Sean on it. And, for that reason, I think a cursory conversation is all that will be had.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
You mention Kiffin and Pearl for Currie have a part in.
Kiffin outside of USC hasn’t been all that great of a coach.
Pearl received a 3 year show-cause from the NCAA.
I do not think either of those can be considered as good hires.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
I think he's just saying that Currie made big splash hires ...
not that they were necessarily good.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
Can you say red flag
EMAW 4 Ever - January 3, 2012
The point is that they were big names.
The other point is that Currie is seen as a big-time money maker and fantastic administrator, but he’s wearing a scarlet “A” for being associated with the dumpster fire hires at Tennessee.
He needs to make a big-time hire at Kansas State. That could be good for us in football, but it’s also why I’m a little scared that he may be a little aggressive with Frank. TB and I have stated in multiple conversations that we are afraid that Currie will push Frank out to make a hire here that will get him a job somewhere else.
I’m just hoping that Currie can sit still in Manhattan long enough to not do something too aggressive.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
Don't start getting me nervous about men's basketball ...
KSU is going to be up and down in football after Snyder (probably more down than up).
But KSU could be really good in basketball for a really long time. It’s sitting right there.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
I think football can do just fine.
What we have on the horizon, facilities wise, will be ahead of similar competitors. It’s going to be first-class.
Let’s remember how bad Ron was at building a program, and he was still 17-20. You can go to bowls on a yearly basis here as long as we cultivate the right kind of atmosphere and hire the right kinds of coaches.
There are a lot of really quality guys that have been burned by big-time jobs (i.e. Rich Rod) that would do a great job here and love making millions and being adored for winning 60-70% of their games.
We have tremendous fan support here, unbelievable access to fertile Texas recruiting grounds, a young, strong administration (with an SEC mentality in terms of athletics) and expectations that are in line with our status.
This is a good job if you can sell it to the right people. I think we’ve got the right people in place to do that.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
There is going to be considerable pressure on Currie
for this hire, too. I mean, the RP debacle is still fresh in many boosters and fans minds. He is probably going to have to do his best selling job yet on whoever it is he hires to replace Bill, especially if he goes outside the “family.”
I have confidence he can make a good hire, but I hope, for our sakes, that he errs on the side of caution and not on the side of high-risk/high-reward. I don’t know him well enough to speculate which side he might fall towards, but the pessimist in me agrees with you Pan that he is going to swing for the fence and hope he hits a home-run (again)
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Pan
any new football facilities (aside from a press box renovation, what new facilities?) haven’t been built yet, and we simply cannot compete with programs like Oklahoma, Texas and (now) Okie State in that regard. So long as we are:
A) a rural school in a low population state far away from mountains, beaches and a city (and these are things we cannot change),
B) our immediate recruiting base is one that produces some gems but is not exactly talent-rich,
C) not exactly a household name with the TV networks, and
D) shunned by the big-time bowls (or, I should say, BCS at-large bowls)
any sustained success will be difficult to come by. That is why the post-Snyder hire looms large and whomever is AD will need to be thorough and careful in their search. I’m guessing Currie will still be here, and though you see him as a merc (I’m in no position to disagree), I’m not sure he goes down the “Lane Kiffin”, splashy-name path. He’ll want a solid name, and probably one that is acceptable to Snyder, but Currie’s “legacy” will hardly be helped if he whiffs on this hire. Particularly in that there will be Bill Snyder Act 3.
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
I would argue against point A
in that Manhattan is becoming less “rural” all the time. It is now large enough, statistically, to have its own Metropolitan area, and is still growing. Plus, you add in the regular commercial service to both Dallas and Chicago, and it is no longer remote. It is now easier to fly to Manhattan than Lawrence or Topeka.
And I agree about sustained success. Even Snyder had difficulties when he tried to go toe-to-toe with the bigger boys late in the first run. He changed his approach, and went back to what was successful, but you have to know the school and area to be successful at K-State…just ask RP
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Manhattan may be less rural all the time
but its not exactly a 300,000-plus metropolitan area (doesn’t necessarily need to be – it has plenty of its own charms some recruits will fall in love with the easygoing, friendly atmosphere of the Little Apple). That said, I totally agree about the improved access to Manhattan helping K-State. Unfortunately, however, you have to get the kids outside the state to look past the bi-coastal and metropolitan stereotype of Kansas being the absolute middle of nowhere. K-State will always have to rely on players looking for a second-chance or kids who are high-character to begin with.
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
Though if Wichita State had a fb program and in the MWC (how's that for a hypothetical?)
I doubt many kids would pick it over KSU to play football just because it’s in a city of 300,000+
I do understand the point you make, and I too would consider Manhattan Rural and remote, but at the end of the day I’m not sure how much that really affects kids’ impressions. I’m certain it’s important to some, but I don’t see that percentage being anything overwhelming. At the end of the day kids just want a chance to move onto the NFL, so going D1 (with a huge preference being on an BCS AQ school) institution is all you need.
You can combat that by being a fad. See also Boise State.
GTcat - January 3, 2012
Its pretty important
I don’t think it matters as much once you get a kid to come on an official visit, because then you can sell all the things that make Manhattan and KSU great, but it definitely is a hurdle in getting the kids to come for that visit.
2.1 seconds left - January 3, 2012
Thats where the direct flights into MHK help
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
And to a kid from West Texas
anything east of I35/135 in Kansas has to seem pretty urban…
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
haha, nice
GTcat - January 3, 2012
You are not wrong.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Let me respond with bullet points...
1) It’s more than a press box renovation. The scope has changed. We should hear something soon. It’s gonna be awesome from what I hear. And, no, I don’t expect to compete with Texas, Oklahoma, etc. That’s not who we compete with. We will compete with Texas Tech, TCU, Iowa State, KU, etc. Which leads me to my second point…
2) Your definition of success depends on your standards. I would consider 7-9 wins every year with bowl games and an occasional run at a conference title as a tremendous level of sustained success. What Snyder did should not be the standard. It’s an exception. What we should look for is a consistent level of good with occasional very good/great. Anything more is an unreasonable expectation.
3) Anyone that isn’t stupid can recruit at Kansas State. The blueprint has been laid out over twenty years under Bill Snyder. Grab a core of 15 prep kids, roll over about 5 grayshirts, and fill in with 5-8 JUCO kids (more than five if there are some countbacks). If you’re not a moron, you can field a bowl level team year in and year out with that strategy.
4) Well, no, we’re not a desirable entity for TV networks and the BCS, per se. Only about ten teams really are. However, the kind of coach we need to target shouldn’t care about that. He should be a guy that obviously has talent but needs a nice, quiet environment where he will do very well in an environment of security. Great examples are Rich Rodriguez, Mike Leach, and before he got involved with John Blake, Butch Davis.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
Not trying to piss in anyone's Post Toasties
but where are y’all getting your info about the scope of the stadium renovation?
My office is right next door to the KSU project manager for this project, and I don’t seem to know as much about it as many of the people on this blog. (not saying any of your info is incorrect, just wondering how it is getting out there to the public)
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Don't tell him!
Your sources will be comprised and we will have nothing but official information.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Send me to Gutanamo
I ain’t tellin’.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
/sends BlackCats a carton of smokes 'cause those are like money in the joint.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
I work for an engineering firm that's gotten some plans
I don’t know anything about it myself, but I know people who do.
smitty3268 - January 3, 2012
you next to Charlie?
That’s where I’d expect to get my info anyway.
GTcat - January 3, 2012
Charlie?
I’m in planning, not athletics. My office is in Dykstra Hall.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
I see. You are correct.
Charlie’s office is in Bramlage
GTcat - January 3, 2012
Think I met him once
But I was talking about the assistant University Architect.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Various places.
I’ve heard some rumors and some things I’ve heard as fact. What I heard about the budget increase, I’ll take as fact until proven wrong.
The rumor would go in line with the budget.
There are other things, too. A different person said we should hear something at the pep rally for the Cotton Bowl.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
Supposedly they added a whole additional level of premium seating because demand was so high.
Good. Build that bitch as high as possible. I want to trap MOAR SOUND.
BracketCat - January 3, 2012
delivered
as promised
GTcat - January 4, 2012
Manhattan
Where great coaches retire.
We were one of the top 10 places to retire young last year or so.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Pan's sources revieled.
BlackCats - January 4, 2012
I don't think he will push Coach Martin out.
If Martin thinks he is being pushed out, you can pretty much figure he will say something.
At this point in time, the result would not be good for the AD as Coach Martin is popular with the fan base.
And I think Currie knows this and will cultivate HCFM and his staff.
Now if Coach Martin does an Asbury, which I DO NOT THINK IS LIKELY, then maybe things would change.
Currie’s best opportunity for a ‘great’ hire is when Coach Snyder decides to retire.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
I think Martin is safe
I think if Martin were to screw up (I don’t think he would in the first place) and go out do to player mistreatment (I don’t think he will) we would have already seen some warning signs (outside of just the games).
EMAW 4 Ever - January 3, 2012
I think that posturing over the Miami job last year was kind of a "Cold War" between them.
I don’t have specifics other than the fact that Frank is a pretty passionate guy, and I think Currie is a bottom-line guy. I’ve been in the professional world long enough to know that those kinds of guys don’t always mesh well together.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
Pearl was definitely a good hire
The AD can’t control the kind of mistakes Pearl made, and there was no indication that he was stupid enough to make those mistakes when he was hired (in fact, given Pearl’s status as a whistle-blower, you could say that the indications were in the opposite directions.
2.1 seconds left - January 3, 2012
Pearl was a great hire, and if Currie is still here, I'd put money on him getting the job should Frank leave...
Assuming it’s after the show-clause.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
Ugh...
BracketCat - January 3, 2012
I never did like Bruce Pearl
violations or not
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Wasn't the Pearl hire working just fine till that BBQ?
MeatGeek - January 3, 2012
Stupid deliciously cooked meats over an open fire, and then slathered with your choice of tasty sauces!
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Damn you for being so tasty!
MeatGeek - January 3, 2012
Oh, I understand how much Bill wants Sean for the job
I really do, and I can see it all the time. My dad and I have long conversations on the topic.
We are still undecided on if it will be good or bad…
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Let me save you time. It would be an unparalled level of awful.
Pat Knight/Sean Sutton would be considered success stories in comparison.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
I think our discussions have always leaned towards
he should go back to being an administrator, cuz he was good at that
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Is 11-2 and Top 10 ranking not a big enough splash?
Just keep rowing the boat the K-State way.
ohiocats84 - January 4, 2012
I agree ...
If Snyder says he’s hanging it up again while Currie is still there (and I don’t think that’s actually going to happen), then he will be involved as much as politics dictate.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
I will say that as long as Schulz is here, I have very little concern about our AD.
As much as I love Currie, and I’m one of his biggest fans, Schulz is just the man. Period.
He’s, like, better than Wefald in every way without the annoying micro-management.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
My only concern about Schulz is turning K-State into a research university while not maintaining UG teaching excellence.
Historically K-State has had excellent UG teaching in science and engineering.
If we hire a bunch of folks who only want to do research and not teach, then we end up with graduate assistants teaching and are like every other research university.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
While I share your concerns...
There needs to be a major shift in how Kansas State is viewed nationally, and that comes with research.
A balance must be struck, but we absolutely can not go with the previous plan because that got us nowhere in all of the rankings. And while we can disagree about the quality of education we received vs. what the rankings say we received, I think we can all agree that there is room for improvement, and Schulz’s 2025 plan will give our diplomas greater value over time.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
Some top programs will not change
i.e. the College of Ed and College of Human Ecology. Those are nationally recognized top programs that don’t show up in those “rankings” but are nonetheless significant.
As long as K-State (and Shultz) remembers its roots (Ag, Enigineering, Ed, and H.E.) then we should be just fine, and should not have to worry about our beloved Alma Mater changing for the worse
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Agreed
And let us be honest, anyone that wholeheartedly buys into those bogus “rankings” is an ass to begin with. I understand their importance in perception and in bragging rights, but not at the risk of atrophying the educational experience of the student. That is how schools – despite many of their lofty rankings – lose their way.
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
Or the CAPD which is doing quite nicely nationally.
Catbacker98 - January 3, 2012
I was thinking about throwing that in there, but I wanted someone
outside of the college to mention it…but I second that
GTcat - January 3, 2012
Yeah, CAPD is solid
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Yeah and our History department is not a laughing stock either!
Way to not be awful, History!
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
I'm hoping that is not sarcasm there, Chris
Go easy on the K-State history department. Some of us have our degrees from there, brother :).
Otherwise we’ll be having words down in Dallas on Friday…(kidding, of course).
CT-K-Stater - January 4, 2012
Myself included.
No, our History isn’t bad, which was my point. But it obviously isn’t as nationally regarded as CAPD and other marquee programs at KSU. That was the humor I was aiming for, the self-inflicted kind.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 4, 2012
Got it - and appreciate it.
We College of Arts & Science folks have to stick up for each other.
CT-K-Stater - January 4, 2012
Same here
jtarkman - January 4, 2012
Here, here, Anon
I voiced that myself to Schulz a month ago when he came to Manhattan (Big Apple). Apparently so have many other alums. But from my talk I believe he does not want to forgo the latter (tremendous – nay, superior – undergraduate education) in favor of the former (research).
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
He doesn't.
He mentioned this when he was speaking to the Facilities Department in this year’s talk of the 2025 plan.
He understands that we are a Land Grant University (the first one, in fact), and realizes THAT is who we are and what we need to be, but as mentioned previously, the research element is also very important to future growth.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
That was my understanding from talking to him, too
And, I’ve got to say, Kirk is awesome. I found him very personable, direct, honest and in every way a leader. Love having him running the ship.
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
Let's also remember
That a lot of the “research” that will get us into the rankings will be in conjunction with NBAF and the BRI (ABADRU). We will be targeting big name researchers, but not pushing out the teaching professors.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Good point
You seem to be plugged into this, Black, but I’m admittedly very blurry on the entire NBAF-KSU picture. My basic understanding is that we should get some nice tie-ins on the research side of things, but that a flood of research dollars flowing into our university may perhaps be expecting too much. Truth/Rumor/Fiction?
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
Well
With 12 (I think they’re at 15 now) ABADRU employees working in the BRI for 6-9 months of that year our federal research dollars damn near doubled. I’ll be interested to see what the final total for 2011 is with 14/15 of them working in there for 12 full months. These are Federal employees that receive zero salary from KSU, but have KSU grad students (and some undergrad) assisting their research so we get credit (partial? that I’m not sure of) for the research being done. The money doesn’t actually go to KSU, we just get credit for it towards these rankings because we were involved in the research.
That should be the true bellwether. If you figure 12 researchers for part of the year “doubled our dollars” (through the same kind of partnerships NBAF will have with the University) what will 450-500 researchers do for our research bottom line?
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Interesting
thanks for that – and for the important distinction between federal research funds flowing into KSU and funds we simply get credit for in these (bogus) rankings.
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
Yes
But don’t forget, that GA get’s their name on the research. A KSU GA. Some of the researchers will teach one 3 hour class a year which makes it a KSU professor’s name on the research. That’s a big deal when building a reputation among peers and the AAU.
The only difference between the work being done this way and if KSU actually got the money is a little for the KSU profs salary and a little for a grant admins salary. We’re actually net ahead by doing it this way.
It’s the private dollars that we really want/need. They fund entire positions, no administrative costs and everyone has their fingers crossed for a commercialized product that rains gold upon the university and the private supporter. Seriously, one 1 billion dollar idea could mean as much as 200 million for KSU in licensing. One successful drug. That’s it.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Time for you to get out there and
unveil the next Google, Black. Or design and produce the next iPad. Or develop…Viagra?
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
Would you buy a cure for the flu?
68% more effective than Tamaflu
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Flu shots don't do the trick?
CT-K-Stater - January 4, 2012
Nope
The flu shot at best will only prevent two stains of the flu, and if the wrong one is chosen for that year then the drug companies play catch up trying to get enough out there. That’s why you hear about flu shot shortages. Even when you have the right one, its only about 72% effective.
This drug, in 2 Phase 2 trials has shown two things. If taken prior to the flu season and throughout, it’s 97% and 98% percent effective to preventing any type of flu. When taken after contracting the flu, it halts the symptoms and shortens duration. Tamaflu only shortens duration by a day or two in about 50% of people, this works for darn near everyone and you’ll start to feel better in about 24 hours.
Crazy stuff.
BlackCats - January 4, 2012
One of the studies I saw said that 33% of the people with the flu shot caught the flu.
33% of the people that did not get the flu shot also caught the flu.
Those might be CDC numbers, but I’m too lazy to check.
Anon_the_younger - January 4, 2012
Yeah I've heard the same numbers
It effectively shows the flu shot is worthless.
BlackCats - January 4, 2012
I have some home remedies that get rid of the flu fairly quickly.
Anon_the_younger - January 4, 2012
On another note 100% of the people that did not get shot...
contracted no illness from the shot. You might laugh at this but read the fine print sometimes on the drug trials and their white paper analysis back to the FDA.
Catbacker98 - January 4, 2012
I have never gotten a flu shot
and also have never gotten the flu.
Jeremy Sharp - January 4, 2012
I don't want to scare anyone...
but it is seeming more and more likely that NBAF may not happen. At all. Anywhere (well, other than staying at Plum Island).
I have heard that the funding may not get released, seeing as how we are in some pretty crummy economic times right now. “Seems a little foolish to be spending all that money on animal germs, don’t it?” (what an uninformed rube might say about the situation).
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Last I heard
the funding for the next phase was already approved…
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
I honestly don't know for myself.
I know they are doing site work north of BRI, but other than that I don’t really know. It is just something I heard over Christmas.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
I would hope
that since they already have so much invested in the groundwork and infrastructure, that they would just finish the job…
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Update
Got the money from the state, got the money from the Fed.
A portion of the money ($40MM) is being held back (again) because the delegation from Long Island is puffing its chest. It will be released (again) upon yet another site study. And people wonder why the cost keeps going up.
I’m not going to get into it all here, but we got enough to keep moving forward. If we don’t get the $40MM by November of 2012 we could have a delay. Most predictions are that we’ll get the money Wednesday after the elections.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Thanks for the update
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
And with 100 percent less EMAW!
BracketCat - January 3, 2012
That's totally Noel's fault.........
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
But hey, thanks to Noel, we're getting
Lactation rooms on campus (yes, for women).
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Well that's something we almost completely don't need.
How many women have you ever seen on campus lugging a 3 month old around?
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
In the College of Education or otherwise?
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Ouch
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
In education classes, usually had a classmate with a youngster in class.
In engineering classes, never had a classmate with a youngster in class.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Oh, I found it funny, my man
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
Plus they are easy college chicks.
They probably got knocked up because showing people their boobs was not a real concern to them. Do they really need a special room?
Wasn’t it Dogma where the guys hung out at the abortion center to pick up women cause they knew they would put out?
Thank you Noel for proving yet again that opposites attract. If I have to put up with her shenanigans to keep Kirk I will, but so far I’d call it even.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Most the ones in education were non-traditional students,
that were married and then gone to school.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Boooo.
I was sure I had found my new hangout.
Not really.
I’m a married spud. I’m a married spud.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Early Child Education and Family/Marriage Studies should merge
with Engineering. I think you would have equal numbers of females and males in the college then.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
heeeeeeeeyooooooooo!
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
And here is where I get to educate all of the BOTC males
Lactation rooms are necessarily used for active feeding of a baby. In fact, the main purpose of the rooms being created here on campus are for mothers who have gone back to work, but are still breastfeeding. As you may, or may not know, the mother continues to produce milk even when not in the baby’s presence, and this milk needs to be “expressed” to relieve the pressure.
So, they bring their little pump with them, and twice a day go into one of these lactation rooms, and pumps the milk out (and saves it for later).
It is actually a legal requirement now to “provide suitable time and location (other than a restroom) for female (breastfeeding) employees to express milk”.
But agree, since 1862, I am aware of ONE instance where a breastfeeding mother complained about the lack of a place to be able to do this.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Is this going to fall under the same category...
as diaper changing stations? Where if you provide one in the female restroom you also have to provide one in the male restroom?
/sarcasm
Catbacker98 - January 3, 2012
no
the rule hasn’t gotten that PC…yet.
And as of yet, this is not a Code issue. The actual law is about as precise as what I mention up above. It is one sentence, and then gives no prescriptive criteria regarding what the space must consist of.
Actually, the way the law is written, a private office, or a conference room works (and that is why it is written this way, so as not to make employers go create a dedicated space for this purpose knowing that it may never be needed).
But because KU has 18 of these damn rooms, we have to have some as well.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
I know the code you are referring to...
I was attempting bad architecture humor. But this has got to make your job a nightmare. Every 2-3 years a new revision of the code adds to the frustration. Several of the changes can be directly related to litigation somewhere.
Catbacker98 - January 3, 2012
Yeah
I was totally kidding. It’s not like I’d expect a private room with a wifi connection so I could “lactate”.
Light. Bulb.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
I almost responded to this
(men needing a room like this as well), but decided it could get very raunchy very quickly…so I refrained.
Adding wifi only get it there quicker.
I DO have to provide an electrical receptacle in all these spaces (for those hipster moms who have the fancy electric pumps). Glad I don’t have to make sure they are all wifi capable too!
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Is that a GFI receptacle?
Catbacker98 - January 3, 2012
Only if within 3' of a sink.
otherwise, doesn’t need to be.
:)
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
maybe "hoity toity"
is more appropriate than “hipster” in the above comment.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure it is the hoity toity moms that need the receptacles for their fancy pumps.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
I got your ADA joke.
That one actually makes sense though, as you COULD have a dad who needs to find a place to change his kid’s diaper.
And actually, the entity requiring these lactation rooms is the US Department of Labor, Wage and Hour Division.
The requirement just says that you have to provide a reasonable amount of breaktime for this purpose, and a location other than a restroom to do it. It would honestly be a lot easier if it actually was written into a building code somewhere on how many you need and what all has to go in them.
The problem I am facing right now is that I don’t very well want to go “eminent domain” on departments and take someone’s private office to make one of these rooms, considering it might go unused for 5 years. That’s pretty much where I’m at now though, we have found all of the “unassignable” space that will work for this purpose.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
I so much want to make a comment about a certain facility located west of Weber Hall.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Call Hall?
Umberger Hall?
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Funny story
When I first mentioned this to my parents, my dad thought he was so smart and my mom wouldn’t know what I was talking about. HE was the one thinking of the wrong thing (he assumed they were for some dairy use).
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Call Hall of course.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
5 years of college here
and 6+ months of employment, and I STILL have not been inside of Call Hall yet. Yes, I’ve had the products, just never been inside.
And it would be SOOO much easier if the answer to the lactation room issue was to just direct everyone to Call Hall.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Wow.
I don’t even know what to say to that.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
I know. How can he consider himself a K-Stater if he's never been to the Dairy Bar in Call Hall.
Probably also never bought bread from the Baking Science folks or Meat from the Weber Hall folks.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
I did every single one of those things in my first semester.
smh
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
Listen here fellas...
I have HAD every one of the things you mention. I have just not gone and purchased them myself.
Have either of you been on the tree tour that we have on campus??? Huh, have you? Neither have I!
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Tree tour?
You mean one of those senior visit tours you take in high school?
If so, then yes.
But if not, then you have one-upped me.
Although, actually going to Call Hall is kind of a big deal.
You never were just strolling by on a hot day and stopped in for a cone? That’s a little different than buying a box of ice cream at Dara’s.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
Well, considering
I lived in Goodnow for freshman and soph years, and then moved off campus (with my scooter), and all of my classes were in Seaton (for the most part), I never found myself “strolling by Call Hall” at all…ever.
And the tree tour is actually a guided tour (there are maps) of all of the different species of trees on campus. It was actually just revised very recently.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Well, we are talking about things that peopple actually do, here
As for strolling by Call Hall, well, you had a scooter!
If it wasn’t on your way it would have been nothing to make a quick detour to grab some ice cream!
Priorities!
When Spring gets here, I expect you to make it to Call Hall, pronto.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
I assume people DO the tree walk
I looked, and the official name is the “KSU Tree Walk”.
I mean, there is a printed brochure for it and everything.
Yes, I will be going to Call Hall in the spring. :)
Maybe I’ll even hit up a rodeo in Weber Arena.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Wow.
You haven’t been to a rodeo in Weber?
I’ll stop commenting now because it was probably more common to attend when there were fewer people on campus and everybody knew someone in the Ag College.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Yeah...
At this point, it probably says more about you if you HAVE attended one, than haven’t.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
I took one tour of trees in Botany
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
I seem to recall a tree tour in Botany
as well. Or maybe not. That was a fuzzy summer semester.
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
You actually buy the meat in Call Hall these days
MeatGeek - January 3, 2012
yeah!
so take that!
I don’t think you buy the baked goods in Shellenberger anymore either.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
I think I had graduated myself b4
setting foot inside Call Hall…wait a second, I believe I skipped out on Studio one afternoon when I was in the early “puppy love” stage of my relationship with my then-girlfriend, now-wife…I rarely missed class. I suppose that also indicates why I was crazy enough to shell out what I did for that piece of hardware on her left hand…
GTcat - January 3, 2012
This is why we need Ron Swanson running things
I might enjoy my job more, and not think daily about ways to get into sports journalism. Damn you IBC/government, everything else.
GTcat - January 3, 2012
I take it back, he was the DC for us in '06
But that being said it would make me a little nervous hiring someone from the Prince era, but he did do the one thing that no one has done at K-State since: Replace Chris Cosh.
EMAW 4 Ever - January 3, 2012
I would absolutely welcome Morris back to be a DC ...
but he would never, ever do it. He’s not coming back to Manhattan, KS to coach for Bill Snyder. And we’re not giving him HCIW status to lure him, either.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
Its a wish list…lol
too bad you are right though
d_stout - January 3, 2012
I second that, Itchy
Morris was a good D-coordinator, but I don’t ever see his return to KSU.
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
He'll want to "get back to his college roots"
and will go be a head coach at a mid-level BCS.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
He was here so he would know what he is getting into, and he would have a few years to learn the Bill way. And then he would become inside the program.
And I think he develops secondary really well. This is what is needed against the high powered offenses in the big 12, so it would be a great benefit.
and Morris averaged better with his defense than cosh did this year. about 3 or 4 points per game better and about 50 yards a game better. I would also go out on a limb and say that the talent on the defnesive side is better than in 06 and I would expect even better numbers.
Just a thought tough, and a pipe dream.
Stat used from
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2011-2012/teamcume.html
http://kstatesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/122906aaa.html
d_stout - January 3, 2012
I loved Morris. But I think he left Manhattan for both professional and personal reasons.
The personal stuff is all rumor, obviously, but I don’t think he’s ever going to come back here.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
never heard the rumor and don't necessarily need to
but I too would welcome back Morris. I liked his defensive style.
GTcat - January 3, 2012
I wouldn't mind him coming back
but there is nothing really here calling him back—no family, no friends on staff, not his Alma Mater, only one year of experience here. He is a good coordinator, but I think he would do best by staying at the NFL level. Whereas I really think Jim Leavitt is best at the college level, and would jump at a chance to return now that his storm has calmed
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Assuming, of course, that he isn't headed to KU as HCIW behind Weiss....
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
I think Leavitt is happy in the NFL. He did his work at the collegiate level.
He doesn’t have to deal with parents, boosters, alumni, etc. He did a miracle job at USF, and they treated him like garbage so they could get someone ‘meh’ like Skip Holtz.
Leavitt is getting close to retirement age. If he can get about 5-7 good years drawing an NFL salary, I think he’ll probably hang it up.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
Yeah, I always forget to take his age into account
Of course, when coming to HCBS, a lot of guys ‘seem’ young without being young…
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Comparing to...
damn coffee typing skills!!
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Snyder is just one in a million. If you read his biography, the man is probably legally insane.
He lives on oranges and coffee. He went to a hypnotist to see if he could live without sleep so he could work more.
If there was one person in this world, aside from Joe Paterno, who had football embedded in their DNA, it’s Snyder.
He’s always waffling on retirement, but the man will probably coach into his late 70’s, early 80’s because football is his hobby and work is his addiction.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
Maybe we can licens the cloning technology Herbstreit used.
Then if Snyder coaches another 10 years, we can have 10 year old Bill Snyder Junior to coach for the next 60 years.
And BSJR might be the first coach to play.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Already happened look at the sidelines...
to the special teams coach in waiting.
Catbacker98 - January 3, 2012
Herbstreit's kids all look remarkably similar.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Agreed
You could tell (besides him saying so) that he didn’t really want to retire the first time. And he looked uncomfortable not coaching those three years, even though it was rejuvenating for him.
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
He needed those three years to re-evaluate. The recent articles show he learned what went wrong.
Except the not firing crap assistants part. You can’t correct being too nice.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
Again, agreed
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
but I think one of the many things the Penn State debacle taught us too
Is that being loyal to your asst coaches is common. I’m not saying it’s right, and I hate to bring up the Penn State scenario in this context, but I think all coaches cover their asst coaches backs for the most part…unless of course your name is Tommy Tubberville
GTcat - January 3, 2012
And for KU fans that are dumb enough to think he'll be HCIW there...
He’s 55 years old. If Weis coaches all five years, they’d be handing the reins over to a 60 year old.
Uh…
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
ARE YOU CALLING ME DUMB OR WORSE A KU FAN!?!?!?
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
No, Chris. I'm not.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
OK, good, I was afraid there was some disrespect going on there.
Just wanted to get that out in the open.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
I don't think you need to be worried about knowing when people are disrespecting you.
If a certain woodwind instrument is not included somewhere in the post, no disrespect is meant. :)
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
The clarinet is a noble instrument.
For sixth grade girls.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
I have a recorder from Kindergarten...
does that count?
Catbacker98 - January 3, 2012
Bite your tongue...
I had a horrible vision of this scenario the moment Morris was let go. Don’t give anyone any ideas down the Kaw.
Catbacker98 - January 3, 2012
Pro D (or O) in college
is not always a good idea.
The pro ranks are essentially the top 10% of college players. Unless you have the top guys for each position, it can get ugly if you implement a pro D or O. Don’t believe look what happened to Charlie Weis at Notre Dame.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
You can't run the 3-4 in college. Period. You can't find the DTs to make it work.
You also can’t really run a really solid pro-style offense unless you can get yourself a QB that has NFL ability to make pro-style throws.
Standford had the most NFL looking offense I saw in college these past few years, but that’s because they had a kid with NFL talent, now, that could make it work.
Matt Barkley can make it work at USC because he’s NFL calibur, now.
Everyone else is going to do something goofy like Oregon, Okie State, what Urban Meyer will do at OSU, etc. because you can make it work with college kids. I mean, lord, Meyer made Tebow look like a golden God in college, and now he throws ducks to the hash marks on Sundays.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
It has worked pretty Alabama but they get pretty much who ever they want
EMAW 4 Ever - January 3, 2012
Well, yes, if you can routinely get AA calibur DBs and 340+ pound NT's, then yes, you can run it.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
My nickname for the 3-4 at the collegiate level ...
is “The Program Suckitude Amplifier”
The 3-4 is the worst move a non-giant college football program can make. A pro-style offense is the second-worst.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
If I were a coach, I'd run a 4-3 and the veer.
You get a limited number of practices and hours with kids that probably didn’t learn much in high school. Keep it simple, increase repetition, and make sure you make their jobs simple and based on as much muscle memory as possible.
Win 8-9 games on average at 90% of the schools and you’ll make millions and they’ll name a building or stadium after you.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
You sound just like Denzel Washington from his coaching movie
Sean T - January 3, 2012
And like a certain coach with a stadium named for him.
Just a variation of both.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
In the Big 12, I would used a modified base 4-2-5
where you use a large safety, or fast LB as the nickle. Its basically what Keoning ran, and its good when you lack overall speed in the LB corps.
And I have always been partial to the Single-Wing and I Form in college. Especially when you can get big Kansas kids like Braden Wilson at fullback
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
You can always find a QB that can run. You can't always find one that can throw.
And you can make it work and get creative if they can’t throw.
But you can’t take a kid like Jordan Webb and make him a runner.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
And the single-wing is based on a QB running game
its the offense Snyder used with Bishop, Beasly, and Roberson.
And the knock on I-Form is you need big O-linemen and a bruising RB. Thats why the Nub’s, USC, OU, etc. were good at it.
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Lost in the Cotton Bowl hoopla...we play KU tomorrow night.
I can’t remember a time I was more ‘meh’ about that game. I’m just really excited about the Cotton Bowl, I guess.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
It's nice to be still be playing football this time of year...
There are still tickets available, so I think the Beakers are even ‘meh’ about it too
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
I'm not "meh" about it at all.
I’m actually very glad we are playing a game tomorrow night, because there isn’t going to be any decent football on the tube until Friday.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
I'm excited about it.
I have bad memories of the last two times the Cats played in Lawrence so I’m trying to temper my enthusiasm.
Why can’t KSU ever start the season at Texas Tech?
Sean T - January 3, 2012
Speaking of this...
Does anyone know if the basketball schedule was going to be similar to the football schedule and stay the same year after year? I really hope not, because while I don’t mind opening against Baylor and closing against ISU in football every year, I think I WOULD get tired of opening conference play in hoopy ball against KU every year.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Meh? Bet that changes if we win.
BracketCat - January 3, 2012
The "meh" disappears ...
as soon as Thomas Robinson’s punk ass starts talking trash. That is to say, the opening tip.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
I was thinking the same thing yesterday
Not necessarily that I’m ‘meh’ about the game but more that I’m amped up for the Cotton Bowl and the game has more or less come out of nowhere. The past few years, I’ve spent day(s) at work wasting time thinking about and preparing for this game. This year, its like, “Oh, its hear.”
gw1754 - January 3, 2012
I was looking at an article (ok it was a wikipedia page) about Tyler Lockett the other day
And it said that he needs to just appear in one more game to qualify to be the NCAA leader in KR average for this season, it would sure be nice if Sean could just get him in the end zone for one kickoff return, he doesn’t even have to return it.
EMAW 4 Ever - January 3, 2012
I'm excited for the game on Wednesday
I’m expecting a loss for the Cats, but I’m expecting them to perform better than they did last year.
0-3 in the next three games means the Cats will likely struggle getting to the NCAA tournament
1-2 means they’ll probably make the tournament, but it will be rough and they have little shot at a conference title
2-1 means they’re right in the thick of things in the league
3-0 means they’re the new favorite to win the league, and they would be VERY highly ranked.
It’s going to be a fun week!
Have KSU teams ever taken on 5 ranked opponents in any combination of sports in a week? Women’s bball taking on #9 A&M, and we all know what the men are doing. Wow.
Sean T - January 3, 2012
I can see us going at least 2-1 with losses to either KU or Baylor
I like our chances against ku better than I do against Baylor but I’m just worried they will come around sooner or later.
EMAW 4 Ever - January 3, 2012
I actually like our chances better against Baylor at home ...
Baylor is still a pretty soft team, Pierre Jackson’s best efforts aside. And still more than a little dumb. I think we beat them up on our court and grind out a win.
@lawrence … I just hope we don’t pee down our leg in the first five minutes. At this point, we shouldn’t. It’s time to be past all that. And this ku team just isn’t that good. I heard a stat this morning that blew my mind … ku bench points against North Dakota last Saturday? SIX. All from Connor Teahan. The ku bench is horrifying. Look, I still think we’re the underdog … but let’s f*ing do this.
Missourah … After watching them against ODU, I really think their weaknesses are probably bigger than I had thought before. They really will struggle against teams that are long, athletic, and deep on the inside … especially ones like KSU that will really commit to rebounding. As long as KSU doesn’t turn it over in the backcourt like crazy, I think we will take that one.
I’m tacitly predicting a 2-1 start, but I think the combo of wins/losses could go any which way. And we could easily go 1-2 as well.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
My head says we should beat ku (rather handily) but my gut says Baylor a win over baylor is more likely
EMAW 4 Ever - January 3, 2012
Don't yell at me too loudly
but I think I am more worried about OU in Norman the game after Baylor than I am KU, MU, or BU. Why??? Because we are dealing with “known” commodities in the other three. They are the teams we KNOW we have to play our A+ game against if we want to win.
I think about OU kind of how I’m guessing most non KSU people thought about us several years ago (and maybe still today), in that, “yeah, they are winning, but I’m not sure if they are for real” kind of way.
I am even more nervous about that game if we go 3-0 to start conference play, than if we start 0-3.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Somebody just got back from Sport Clips.
BracketCat - January 3, 2012
Just a little tidbit from me to you ...
this person does not cut hair for Sport Clips …
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
No but the manager is kind of cute
and there’s a blonde I might try next time.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
I think I saw the blonde you are referring to.
And to be honest, I think the cut looks better than what I usually end up with from Great Clips.
And InS…she COULD cut for Sport Clips. Just not the one in Manhattan. I do believe SC is a franchise type thing…kinda how none of the Hooters girls in the calendar work at the ones I have eaten at. :)
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Is there a SportClips in Manhattan???
I have always preferred an old-fashioned barbershop, where I can sit and listen to old guys tell stories for an hour
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Never did the barbershop thing.
Always kind of intimidated me.
Plus, when I was a child my mom was a stylist, so she cut our hair. It wasn’t till I was in college that I finally paid for a haircut. It got to the point that it was almost like a chore that I had to endure.
Then I tried the SpertsClips in Lawrence (I hate having to go into that wasteland so much, but we live right next to it) and the experience became actually enjoyable (especially when I splurge and get the massage.
The stylists in Lawrence so far have all been nice visual complements to the experience, so I don’t know what problem the one in Manhattan seems to have.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
They'll get there.
I think they were just trying to get open, so anyone who could cut men’s hair was brought in. I’d say they’re over staffed by 50% right now. It’ll shake out.
Side note: There is a really good Barbershop in Lawrence on Mass. I kind of miss the place.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
I've never been to a real barbershop either
My family used to go to the same place all at the same time, and she would cut all 4 of us and get it over with. Then I switched to the guy who pierced my ears when I was in college. Migrated to a Great Clips when I was in Atlanta, but never settled on a particular stylist.
I think if I start going to Sport Clips on the regular, I am going to pick one and stick with her to build some sort of relationship (you know, so I can get the same cut every time).
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
I try to do that (they do give you their card each time)
But I"m terribly absent-minded when it comes to getting my hair cut.
They also give you that free come-back-within-30-days-and-get-a-free-neck-trim, but I never remember to do that.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
I have NEVER been given a card from someone at Great Clips
in Manhattan or Atlanta.
I think I DID get a card from the girl at Sport Clips though. Didn’t get a “come-back-within-30-days-for-a-free-neck-trim” though. I would always use those, because the damn neck hair is usually what dictates when I go in for my next haircut.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Yeah, was talking about SportsClips.
I thought that was a franchise-wide policy, but maybe it varies from shop-to-shop.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
Probably varies from shop to shop.
But one would think that if they are trying to drum up new business, they would want people coming back in.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Your can go in anytime for a free neck trim
Dont need a card. Tipping is appreciated.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
The card lets you know who cut your hair, so you can try to get that person again, if you want.
But yeah, you don’t need the car, because they keep your personal information on their computer.
I bet you could even go to different shops and they would be able to pull up your hair style preferences.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
Give me Campus Hairstyling any day
Roger Allerheiligen and all…though I usually get it cut by Dylan.
In fact, football season’s over and I’m in need of a haircut. Looks like I’ll have to find a basketball Saturday soon.
GTcat - January 3, 2012
Just opened.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Nifty...where at???
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
next to Noodles
by HyVee
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Between Noodles and LJS
I went to LJS and ate lunch the day I went, because the wait was an hour for a haircut.
It is a nice looking place, and the experience was definitely not bad.
I actually got a coupon in the monthly mailer (in the mailbox) for an $8 cut, IIRC.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Its a little wierd that K-State is still using the spring game picture of Arthur Brown on it's home page
EMAW 4 Ever - January 3, 2012
Huh? Where??
The only pictures I see are current (last few games)
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
In the upper right hand corner he is still wearing the 46 jersey
EMAW 4 Ever - January 3, 2012
Oh, on the football page where it has the flash pictures of award winners
sorry, had to do some hunting, but I see it now.
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
On a side note, I am compelled to buy an OSU Fiesta Bowl victory T-Shirt because of how awesome it is.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
awesome + rec
GTcat - January 3, 2012
Wow.
I really have to fight the urge to buy one of those.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Much better than the stupid Michigan "Pour Some Sugar on Me" shirts.
Hosers.
BracketCat - January 4, 2012
Don't look now:
But they are all:
Champ
Ions
WTF?
Catbacker98 - January 4, 2012
The Big 12 can do no worse than tie for first in the 2011-12 Bowl Challenge and can clinch it with a K-State win
Big 12: 6-1 1 game left
ACC: 3-3 2 games left
Big East: 2-1 2 games left
Big Ten: 3-6 1 game left
C-USA: 3-1 1 game left
MAC: 3-1 1 game left
MWC: 2-3 0 games left
PAC-12: 2-5 0 games left
Sec: 4-2 2 games left (one sure loss)
Sun Belt: 1-1 1 game left
Wac: 0-3 0 games left
EMAW 4 Ever - January 3, 2012
I think that list shows that
the Big Ten and ACC were overrated this year in bowl selection (HELLO Sugar Bowl!!)
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
What year isn't the Big-10 overrated?
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
Nineteen and Twenty-Six.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
Hmmm, and here I was prepared to cut them a little slack and give them
1960 when Minnesota won its last national championship. But you’re right – the Red Grange years really were that bogus conference’s heyday.
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
My fact-checker is lazy ...
or doesn’t exist.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
Acutally, the ACC isn't that bad (3-3)
The Pac-12 at 2-5, though, is abysmal.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
Sort of
And I’ll be the first to say the PAC-12 had a down year, but they got screwed in bowl matchups. UCLA in a bowl? 6-6 Arizona State playing Boise? 6-6 Washington playing a 9-win Baylor squad (regardless of how good that game actually turned out)? An overtime loss by Stanford to an OSU team that could have played for the title?
Conference bowl records are all about matchups, and even though this time the 2-5 record is relatively indicative of how mediocre the PAC-12 was this year, that isn’t always the case.
2.1 seconds left - January 3, 2012
The Big12 had very favorable bowl matchups this year ...
Partly as a product of great quality depth within the conference and partly because of Okie State and KSU getting screwed, in either case bumping all the bowl eligible schools down a rung each in the bowl pecking order.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
I agree
I think the Pac-12 is/was better than everyone but the Big 12 and SEX conference.
Sean T - January 3, 2012
What it really shows...
is that the B1G should not be playing as many late bowl games. They just can’t match the SEC speed. And ESPN should be doing more to save the Big XII and not the Big East.
Catbacker98 - January 3, 2012
They would have been helped by USC if they weren't banned - would have knocked all those teams down 1 bowl level
smitty3268 - January 3, 2012
Yes, the SEC has a guaranteed loss
coming their way, but they also have a guaranteed win coming their way too.
So, we could (might as well) just call them at 5-3 with one game remaining (is that right, did they REALLY get 9 participants this year???) In any case, the SEC is guaranteed more bowl losses this year than Big 12 (if EMAW’s numbers are correct), and I’m happy about that.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Bad news for a couple of Big 12 basketball teams.
Kadeem Green is leaving Mizzou. He’s the only newcomer for Mizzou that has played meaningful minutes, and it leaves the Tigers with an even shallower frontcourt.
Meanwhile, Oklahoma State has lost third-leading scorer J.P. Olukemi for the season with an ACL tear.
AMS - January 3, 2012
If OSU had any dance hopes left (and they probably didn't) ...
they just went “poof”.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
And there was already no excuse for KSU to not sweep OSU this year ...
now a loss to OSU will be really damaging to any title contender.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
So have something soft to punch when the Cats go to Stillwater and screw it up.
I don’t like Ford, but I wouldn’t wish an ACL injury on anyone. I hope Olukemi comes back okay.
Sean T - January 3, 2012
I think as a college basketball fan in general ...
you should always have something to kick around for road conference games. Road conference games in places your team never wins but should this time … pack away anything in your living room you value.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 3, 2012
Screw that. I'm going to GIA for the first time.
It’s on, Pokes. That bloody streak is going DOWN.
And for the record, I was in Norman the last two times we won there — although I only attended the latter game, I was across the street at the weather center during the one in 2008.
My point is that I’m like an Oklahoma good-luck charm for Frank’s boys.
BracketCat - January 4, 2012
Umm WTF guys?
I come back from a long lunch and there’s 175 comments? Ya’ll had me worried….
mystman995 - January 3, 2012
I thought the same thing.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
yea that used to mean KSB and someone else were going nuts
Pretty crazy day today. I come home from work to find 375…which is 200 since lunch
GTcat - January 3, 2012
Well, more folks are back on the job
so, while they’re at work, they are posting on BOTC. Last week, on Holiday, not so much action around here. Go figure!
Furnace76 - January 3, 2012
well, you know
priorities!
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Anyone else hoping for a colossal fart of a game tonight in some sleazy bowl game held in New Orleans?
Or maybe a power outage that forces the game to be cancelled.
Sean T - January 3, 2012
Careful there comprade.
You should be happy for Michigan and VT being in that bowl, it points out very bluntly that the BCS has nothing to do with anything other than ticket sales for any game other than the 1 v 2 game. As the 1 v 2 game is fairly meaningless this year, the BCS is pretty much worthless.
Michigan from one report had sold 85% of its tickets. This leaves Michigan with about 2,625 tickets left. Since the bowls do not make schools buy the cheaper tickets, you can figure those are at least $100 per ticket which means Michigan has to hand the Sugar Bowl $262,500 for the privilege of playing in the BCS bowl.
VT meanwhile has reportedly sold about 145000 tickets which surprise, surprise is about 85% of its tickets allotment. According to a Washington Post story VT has actually only sold about 10,500 tickets with 4,000 tickets being donated by VT and the ACC to military members in the NOLA area. As such VT only sold about 60% of its tickets and donated about 23% of its tickets. Again using the rough figure of $100 a ticket, VT/ACC is donating $400,000 tickets it could not sell and VT has to pay the Bowl $250,000+ to play in the Sugar Bowl.
So if you believe in karma, be glad for VT and Michigan going to the Sugar Bowl. I am especially glad as it points out very vividly that the bowl system has nothing to do with an NCAA championship and everything to do with the bowls making money. Sooner or later someone in charge, AD’s and Presidents this means you, is going to realize that a bunch of money is being left on the table and a 11 team play-off (or some other variety) will make much more money for the schools.
As for me I’m excited about the Cats playing in the Cotton Bowl and hope it is another great game from the 2011 K-State Football Team …. I like this team and will enjoy rooting cheering for them on Friday.
GO CATS! ! !
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Yup,
even though I was hoping to see K-State in the Sugar Bowl, and personally am tired by the BCS conspiracy against KSU (face it: 6 times in the top-10 of the BCS standings and not ONE BCS at-large invite???), I pretty much agree with you across the board here, Anon.
By the way, are you heading down to Dallas for the game? Who all from BOTC is going? I fly out Thursday, but won’t arrive in time for that day’s pep rally. Hoping to run into some people during the tailgating hours on Friday before the game, though.
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
Unfortunately no.
I’m still in conserve money mode otherwise I’d be going to the game in AFH (can’t believe tickets are available) and the Cotton Bowl.
Hopefully this mode will change soon, so I can make a basketball game this year.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Yes, we are driving down Thursday morning.
Why drive? Because it is more fun.
Look for a fan shot when I get back…
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
I'm driving down Thursday morning as well
my In-Laws want to make it in time for the pep rally
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Yeah, so do we.
Maybe I’ll see you there?
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
I sure hope so! :-)
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
I'll miss the pep rally
landing at DFW right about the time it kicks off. But I’ll be all over the tailgate action at Cowboys Stadium before the game.
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
I will be sneaking into your trunk
GTcat - January 3, 2012
What's a "comprade"?
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
a switching of the letters 'a' and 'r' in a word that means friend in a different language.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Actually, you just put 'r' two letters too early.
If we followed your corrective advice, we would have comparde, which means nothing in an language.
/technicality
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
lol!
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
go play your clarinet.
/goes back to sleep.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
I know that's what you meant.
And that’s how I read it the first time. But then it just didn’t look quite right. :)
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
It is one of those days.
There is an extra negative in the original post, maybe.
/insert Lee Corso sentiment here.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
lol
It’s one of those Tuesdays that feels like a Monday…you know, because I wasn’t at work yesterday.
But then it also feels kinda like a Thursday, because it is the day before a big game.
So, yeah, just one of those days.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Its been like that since last Thrusday for me
Saturday felt like Sunday, but so did Monday, and Thursday felt like Saturday….its been a strange couple weeks for me
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
I could agree but ticket sales is just bunk...
How many times must we dispel this rumor that K-State does not sell tickets. The real reason is they think that more people would watch a Michigan vs. Va Tech match-up. It also helps that a member of the selection committee for the Sugar has ties to Va Tech. Surprise, surprise.
Catbacker98 - January 3, 2012
y'all might be interested in Maisel's 3pt stance
Pretty good one, all 3 points are of interest.
I won’t be tuning in likely tonight. Neither team does anything for me. I haven’t been a huge “vote with your remote” guy, as I’ve tuned in for the majority of big12 bowls. I believe A&M is the only one I didn’t at least catch a snippet of, but that had more to do with me being at my in-laws than anything. Oh and I don’t have cable so I’ve been contributing to ESPN’s bowl ratings via bandwidth/server slowdown on ESPN3.com
GTcat - January 3, 2012
What game?
There is definitely no game EYE have any interest in watching tonight.
The only reason I would possibly turn on that game would be to see how many seats are not filled.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Meh
I’ll watch it.
It’s either that or endure the fucking Bachelor.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
I thought Bachelor was on Monday nights
/justwhatIrecallhearingmyfemalefriendsmention
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Suuuuuuuure.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Hey, I haven't watched since Deanna was the Bachelorette
(she went to high school with one of my former coworkers)
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
I have no idea who Deanna is, and do not want to find out.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
She was one of the girls who was trying to find a husband.
There was one of her, and she chose from 25 guys.
She was pretty hot, and because I worked with someone who knew her, I was hoping to get a good word in when the tv match ended in failure. Which it did. But I didn’t get the good word.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Just a note, they don't pick folks for tv reality shows like that because they would make excellent spouses.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
She was actually one of the final two women on a season of Bachelor
the season where the dude didn’t pick either one.
So they chose her to be the next Bachelorette.
/so becoming obvious that I know WAY too much about this show
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
I'd say if she was on 2 reality tv shows ... run, run, run, run, run,...
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
She ended up dating Ace from the Real World
Talk about a messed up relationship. A girl who was on two different dating reality shows and a guy who went to UGA, was on the Real World (Paris, I believe), and owns a bar in Atlanta.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Please hand in your man card at the door.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Uhhh
What man card? When were those issued?
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
This explains soooo much.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
At least I don't play a clarinet.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
I know when the Bachelor/Bachelorette airs on Mondays
1. Because it’s the time of the week I can virtually do whatever the hell I want for 2 hours on a Monday as my wife checks out on the couch.
2. Because when I pass through the living room to grab a beer and stop to mock the idiots/drama on the big screen and my wife doesn’t find humor in it and “Shhhhhhhhh’s” me, I simply walk on and go back to where I came from BOTC.
GTcat - January 3, 2012
I could make this show much more fun for the guys forced to watch it.
Q1: Is a wedding between August and April acceptable?
Q2: If you get a flat tire, what is the appropriate response?
Q3: Would you let one of your children attend KU?
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
answers
Q1: absolutely not!
Q2: put on the spare and be on your way
Q3: Why would I need to “let” my child attend KU? None of MY children would ever WANT to go there.
So, do I pass the test?
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
No
1. Yes. Winter weddings are cool if there is snow on the ground.
2. Depends on the weather. Rainy or below 40? Call AAA
3. I would let them, because I’m an awesome dad. They would choose not to, because of their amazing upbringing.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
I think you missed the point of Q1
He is referring to the large number of KSU football games that were missed by BOTC members this season due to poor wedding planning.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Maybe.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Are you female?
otherwise the questions don’t matter.
Episode 2 would involve 2 teams playing flag football followed by a BBQ where each woman would have to cook a side dish and I would cook entree and dessert.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
I like this show.
I think Ashton Kutcher might be willing to listen to this premise.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Most guys would like it
Most women would hate it but watch any way.
It would be a fun respite from the ones catering to women.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Wait
would the girls be playing flag football?
Or would the guy who is trying to find a bride be playing with all of his buddies?
Or maybe we could substitute mud/jello wrestling among the potential wife candidates for the flag football?
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
The girls, if it is a bachelor style program you are interviewing the potential spouse.
And if she can’t play flag football then she probably isn’t going to enjoy family time much since playing sports with kids is fun.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Cool
definitely like the premise of this show.
Seriously, it is a format that could be very successful.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
There is Big 12 basketball on the tube tonight...
TB - January 3, 2012
Thanks for this nugget.
Better than the Splenda Bowl OR the Bachelor (although, the early episodes of the Bachelor are when there is the most to look at).
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
its Tuesday
so there is a new NCIS on…
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
I haven't watched a single episode of that show.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Lame
its a good show, but rather unrealistic for what their job description is supposed to be…
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
You are calling ME lame
or the show?
I think historians are LAME…so there!
/except KSU historians are cool
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
You lame, lol
and I am definitely NOT lame :-P
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Way to save yourself at the end with the subtle insert there, Jeremy
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
you like that?
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
what game? Is it women's
we have to have anything. I may even read a book!
Furnace76 - January 3, 2012
OU at Mizzou
should actually be fairly entertaining.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
however, you will have to watch on ESPN3.com
/still supports the death star
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Well, but that's okay in a way
I just want their numbers to be way down on BCS games. espn ain’t going away, and I dislike the deathstar as much as anyone. We can teach them a lesson on their BCS games, that will hurt them in the pocketbook.
And, as bad as the B!G’s bowl record is, wouldn’t it be funny if Va Tech actually beat Michigan. I really think the reason we got screwed is because they wanted to get Mich a W. The Big 10s “major” teams are down, bad. They have to get one of the major programs a win.
Furnace76 - January 3, 2012
I might choose book.
I have got to get through these damn Game of Thrones books. I’m on number 5.
True or false, there are 6?
I really want to read the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo series.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
why?
I watched the Swedish version of the movie and was not impressed. Silence of the Lambs was more a thriller.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
You should not judge a book by it's film.
Usually there is no comparison.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
After watching the movie,
I read about Wikipedia entry on the author of the books. I was not surprised about his views in life, nor events that had happened in his life.
I’ll avoid the books.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Of course, I haven't read the books either, so they could be bad.
And neither have I watched the film.
Of course, just because a film is bad doesn’t mean that the book will be good, either.
For instance, Twilight, which I have heard are abysmal movies (I have managed thus far to avoid being subjected to them) are also actually not very good books.
Unfortunately, my appetite for reading verges on addiction, so I was able to plow my way through all four books. But I wouldn’t recommend them to anybody, even as a punishment.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
If you have no plans to see the films read the wikepedia entry for the author of the books.
It will save you from reading the books.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Ouch! You stepped on Pan's reputed
Twilight fascination, Chris. That’s a sure way to earn his ire (even if you’re wise in avoiding that crap).
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
I'm gonna get crap for having watched the Bachelor
(which DOES generally have pretty attractive women on it), and Pan gets to have a Twilight fascination?
Totally not fair!
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
This is the first I've heard of it.
He’s in trouble.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Let 'em have it.
Someone else posted a while back (on a game-thread I think) that Pan was a huge Twilight fan and had all the DVDs. It goes without saying that his stock plummeted ten-fold in my eyes after reading that.
CT-K-Stater - January 4, 2012
It was a joke.
Anon_the_younger - January 4, 2012
damn, it was a good one
CT-K-Stater - January 4, 2012
BlackCat Math
Movie trailer looks good + sister said the movie was pretty true to the book but book was better (divided by) it costs me $100 to go to the damn movies after hot babysitter and obligatory popcorn (equals) Something to do other than suffer the Bachelor for $9.99 on the iBooks.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
There are better movies and books available.
Trying not to spoil movie or book for anyone, but I think there are better uses of time.
I understand the movie cost issue, which is why I typically avoid movies plus the sound usually is not that good IMHO.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Please show your work.
Give me a better combo to put in the queue.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Not Twilight.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
If you like Science Fiction,
the Change Series by S. M. Stirling is interesting reading. If you don’t mind historical fiction then try Marcus Didius Falco series by LIndsey Davis. Decent Mysteries set in Rome. Also just stop by the Dusty Bookshelf and grab a couple or three of the Dover Thrift editions, most of those are classics which might be readable.
If you are wanting movies, work your way through the Cary Grant movies some great movies in his career. If you want a thriller then go with Alfred Hitchcock and if that doesn’t work watch Bullit.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Currently reading the free version of "The ADventures of Sherlock Holmes" on my Kindle Fire.
I had not actually read more than “The Hounds of Baskerville” before, and they are quite the entertaining read.
Assuming, of course, you have not actually read them.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
Try Kipling next, he has good books as well.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Read Sherlock Holmes
Not a sci-fi fan.
I’m more into historical fiction (Clive Cussler, Dan Brown) or clandestine ops (Brad Thor, Brad Metzler, etc).
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
You would like Kipling then.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
I want to read some of Meltzer's stuff
I like his show Decoded.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
He's good.
And so is his show.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Try Haig, can't remember the first name. Just remembered he is decent.
And he has a good book about a Russian with difficulties that is based on real life events.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
I like the Frankenstein series by Koontz
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Winter's Bone
Book was phenomenal. The movie was pretty true to the book.
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
I thought that was a good movie.
Definitely need to check that book out.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
Daniel Woodrell is a great writer
His latest book “The Outlaw Album” is a collection of short stories that has received a lot of critical acclaim. Just came out a month or two ago.
He also wrote “Woe to Live On” (being re-released this February as “Ride With the Devil”), which was made into a quite good movie starring Tobey McGuire (called “Ride With the Devil”, thus the re-issue of the book with the new name). Its about a Missouri youth of German-American descent who joins the Secessionist bushwackers against the Unionist Jayhawkers and Redlegs during the Civil War. Really excellent (can’t speak for the book since its been out of print for years – but am excited to read it once re-issued).
CT-K-Stater - January 4, 2012
Neither?
There are currently 5 published novels.
There are also currently plans for two more books to be published.
There is also wild internet speculation that he will really have to write three more books to flesh out all the plot points he continues to introduce.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
Yeah that was my concern
I’m halfway through the 5th and I’m thinking how is this going to come together by the end of the book.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Answer?
It’s not.
BracketCat - January 4, 2012
That sounds suspiciously like all the Lost fans before the final season
smitty3268 - January 4, 2012
Martin has specifically referenced Lost as something he is not going to imitate.
He was a fan and was also very upset about the ending. He claims to have his ending already decided, it is just getting there that is the tricky part.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 4, 2012
Yo, Chris, you read the new TWOW sample chapter on GRRM's site yet?
It was pretty promising. I just hope he doesn’t take another six years this time.
BracketCat - January 4, 2012
I am cautiously optimistic (setting myself up for disappointment, I know)
Supposedly this book took so long because he was having a bunch of trouble with “Kong”, a particularly sticky plot problem.
And supposedly this issue has been resolved.
And, allegedly (by George Martin), the next book is already 100 manuscript pages in (though this was true the last time).
But I think that the biggest mover is the TV series. If that thing stays alive then it is going to rapidly catch up to the books, and he needs to stay ahead of that curve.
As for the new sample, I have not yet read it, but you can count on the fact that I will finish it sometime today.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 4, 2012
Kong was the book itself.
The particular plot problem was the “Meerenese knot,” which he finally sliced through by promoting a certain character with the initials B.S. to POV status. You know, the Kingbreaker.
Sorry for the super-nerd correction, but I followed the whole process in-depth for six years. It’s emblazoned on my soul.
BracketCat - January 4, 2012
Er, yeah, was confusing my allegories there.
I should have gotten that correct, epic nerd-fail on my part.
I used the term “supposedly” because, as has happened before, I would not be surprised if Martin decided to do something completely different, and therefore nullifying his solution, or creating a whole new problem to deal with.
I thought that Theon was a great chapter (and I think he was my favorite storyline from the newest book), but was a little disappointed that he is still holding out key information. Oh well, I can only assume Martin knows what he is doing.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 4, 2012
Thrones
I picked up the Game of Thrones series after seeing an episode on HBO. Almost finished with the first. Much more entertaining books than the “Girl” series. The Dragon Tattoo I found especially hard to get through, though the second and third books are better as the girl gets progressively freakier. I’m not sure you can really compare the two, though. One is fantasy; the other is European financial journalist intrigue.
I also liked the Hunger Games series. I read those three books in less than a week. Ah, the good old days, when I had time to read.
ichacat - January 3, 2012
See this intrigues me.
And I know it fantasy, but it is easy to imagine where the Thrones took place geographically. I once described it as the made up version of where the legends of the dark ages (Arthor, Lancelot, Merlin, Dragons, etc.) came from. My buddy read the first book and got the analogy. Now on the 5th I’m not sure it holds as true.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
I think that is pretty spot on.
The only difference is that Martin is telling those tales with a realist twist. Instead of creating mythical archetypes, he is taking those archetypes and turning them into believable characters with many good and bad traits.
Even looking at the maps, Westeros is basically England (and culturally all of Western Europe) while Essos is Eurasia (complete with once dominant world power (Rome/Targaryans) that is now in ruins and an even older civilization that resented the newer one (Greece/Ghis).
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
Exactly
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
I always thought of Ghis more like Carthage, right down to the Targs salting the earth after razing their cities.
BracketCat - January 4, 2012
You know, that IS a much better comparison.
I have just failed as a History major…
/hangs head in shame
Though in self defense, it does seem like Ghis was a major empire BEFORE the Targs showed up. Carthage existed almost simultaneously with Rome.
But yeah, I think your comparison is much better.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 4, 2012
Probably has elements of both.
He doesn’t have any direct parallels. He mixes and matches and borrows from different places, and mashes them together in interesting ways.
Like Volantis, which is equal parts Bombay, New Orleans and Florence/Milan/Naples.
BracketCat - January 4, 2012
Definitely.
That’s what makes it so “new” and “original” in feel.
But there are definitely some strong parallels that are just a tad bit more than mere culture mashing.
Given your obvious in-depth knowledge, I’m sure I don’t even need to mention the real life war that this bears the strangest resemblance too. (and it really is remarkable how many events are almost drawn directly from that period when you look into it)
ChrisP Wildcat - January 4, 2012
Would that be the War of the Rose Bowl?
Heh.
BracketCat - January 5, 2012
Here
Author of the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo Wikipedia Entry
If I write more then I might spoil the movie, although I think if you read the above you can figure out the plot of the book and movie fairly easily.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Yeah I read it.
I find left wingnuts entertaining.
Comment truncated to preserve the first rule of BOTC.
You don’t talk about BOTC
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
I was going to right the highlights of the article but
then figured that would give away the plot of the books and films.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
6 is in progress. Five was released this summer. I'm 75% done.
I’m really, really lazy about reading it. I read the other four in a few months while I was flying all over the place. But now that I’m flying a lot less, I’ve been reading a lot less fiction.
I also tend to read a lot less during football season. I have no idea why.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
I got five books for Christmas, so I have plenty of reading to do.
And I still owe you Swing Your Sword.
TB - January 3, 2012
Moral support
remember, the only way to change ESPN’s behavior is to vote with the remote. I will not wathc tonight or the NCG.
Gonna be hard, but I for one am really not going to watch.
Can we get a support group tonight? Is there an NBA game on TBS! Anything!
Furnace76 - January 3, 2012
I will join your support group
I do not want to watch that game.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Yup - there is only one more college football game I'm going to watch this season.
I’m going to go watch it Friday night at a bar, but damn it I’m leaving my cable box on at home on Fox.
mystman995 - January 3, 2012
I will not be here later, but I will also not be watching the game which shall not be named.
Solidarity!
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
I'm with you 100% here, Furnace
No way I watch that shwag Sucrose Bowl game between those two pretender teams. And ditto for the NCG, although – unlike the Sucrose Bowl – it does present a compelling matchup, albeit a rematch.
CT-K-Stater - January 3, 2012
compelling only because it is #1 and #2
and it is guaranteed to continue to cause controversy regardless of how it turns out.
LSU wins, and everyone says “duh, we knew that was going to happen…it already happened once”
Bama wins, and then the “who is really the champion?” debate heats up.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Okie State!!!!
…had to be a lot of “Poking” going on last night…
/thatsnasty
/funnycuzitsapun
/funnycuzitstrue
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Mark Zuckerberg just smiled
GTcat - January 3, 2012
yea...
Just because one game was determined to “decide it all” on the calendar, doesn’t mean that LSU beating ‘Bama back in November didn’t mean that the Tigers’ resume of beating 7 or 8 ranked teams isn’t still deserving themselves. So dumb.
GTcat - January 3, 2012
I know
and actually, in that scenario, LSU would have one more win than Bama (because of SEC title game), which is yet one more quality team LSU beat that Bama didn’t even play.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
It has ridiculous written all over it
GTcat - January 3, 2012
Last week there was mention of a BOTC sanctioned lunch
for all of us who are in the Manhattan area.
Since some people will be leaving town on Thursday for the Cotton Bowl, I guess that means tomorrow (1/4/12) is likely the best day to have said lunch.
Union Food Court at 12:30?
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
I'm working extra since I only get two days this week
But I could definitely do next week sometime
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
ok, NOW you're being lame.
:)
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Trying to make extra $$ is not lame
though sifting through records from the Provost’s office kinda is…
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
yes, the task at hand definitely sounds lame
and you ARE a student, right? So, no, making extra cash is not lame.
Bailing on a BOTC sanctioned lunch (for any reason), is kind of lame though.
/just giving you a hard time because I’m in that kind of mood today
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Nope, graduated
wife is still a student (for one more semester, and is student teaching this spring) so I need as much green as I can get, especially when headed to Dallas for a couple days.
I’m a “temp admin assistant” in the Department of Special Collections in Hale, but its a step up from the student job I had there this summer and has solid hours (for now) and decent pay, so thats nice.
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
So, I'm assuming you know Roberta?
Pretty cool lady.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Don't have much interaction with her
seen her a couple times, but thats about it. Now, Robin, who runs the mail room (and practically the whole building), is really awesome and really nice
jtarkman - January 3, 2012
Robin is really cool too.
I’ve had to have her take me around to some places before to look at things.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Honestly tommorrow won't work for me, but any other day to be truthful particuluarly next week.
MeatGeek - January 3, 2012
ok, so I guess the lunch will need to be next week
and we can talk about the outcome of the KU game, cotton bowl, and Mizzou game, rather than speculate on what will happen.
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
I'm in for next week. Just tell me when.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Not Tuesday, I have a 1 o'clock.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Weis really getting creative and going outside of his comfort zone on coaching hires
Some real fire power here folks.
GTcat - January 3, 2012
So, we should go ahead and call the TOD on our football ownership of KU...
I guess that’s what you’re trying to say, huh?
lol
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
Well since I'm great with internet acronyms
I have no idea what you mean by TOD…
But what I am saying is, anticipate a lot turning around on defense at this point. I reserve the right to go back on that statement later, and blow a gasket if for whatever reason Leavitt gets hired as DC. Though I don’t believe it will happen. Though expect me to be very nervous the 48hrs following the playoff loss of the 49ers.
GTcat - January 3, 2012
time of death
sorry for the fancy internet speak
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
I also failed to depress the sarcasm button when I typed the first comment
Jeremy Sharp - January 3, 2012
no biggie, I assumed it.
GTcat - January 3, 2012
Or if you don't want to forfeit an internet hit to the deathstar
Try here for the same story
GTcat - January 3, 2012
ARGH!!!!
Too late.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
I know someone brought this up...
but I got curious as to how many BCS opportunities we actually could have been selected to participate. The answer is 6. The only one we actually were allowed to play in was ’03 Fiesta when we beat OU and got the auto bid. So the BCS has seen fit to screw KSU five times out of an at large spot. The most egregious being ’98 and ’99 when we finished #3 and #6 respectively. We were #9 in ’00, #8 in ’02, AQ in ’03 over OU, and of course #8 in ’11. So excluding the number 9 ranking which I can forgive by my count the BCS owes us around 8 million in participation fees that they saw fit to give to other schools. I would be happy with 6 million at this point.
So why do I bring this up? I want the Cotton Bowl to join the BCS or whatever it morphs into. 5 bowls with a +1 MNC game. The Cotton Bowl, as it has this year, has been very good to K-State. Honestly, they have the best facilities now being located in Cowboys Stadium and should become a part of the entire BCS apparati.
Catbacker98 - January 3, 2012
To heck with that.
Cotton Bowl for permanent Championship Game location in a playoff.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
i'll take it!
Would be cool with a 2 to 1 rotation with Indy too
GTcat - January 3, 2012
Indy never had a bowl so it might be a better choice.
But if a play off happens I say change the bowl rules so that bowls can not force schools to purchase tickets and hotel rooms in order to participate in bowl. That way if the Rose Bowl wants to continue with B1G vs P12 they can but it would be a meaningless game since the league champions would be in a playoff game.
Now that I think about it, the NCAA should change the rules and say a school can not participate in any contest requiring purchase of tickets or rooms by an Athletic Department or School. I’ll bet the bowl go away fairly quickly after that.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Or the NCAA does.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
I doubt the NCAA goes away since it involves D1, DII, DIII.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Agreed.
Was going for the comedy there.
/where is that damn button again?
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
I guess I need to be awake more....
I keep missing the humor.
Maybe Pan will do an adventures of the Big XII-2-2+2
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
You may not have been missing anything here.
There is a good chance that I was the one who was missing (the mark).
ChrisP Wildcat - January 3, 2012
No I saw what you were aiming at and chuckled ... after you mentioned it.
I has been one of those days for me.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Just for the grins.
Sugar Bowl announced attendance 68k+ out of 72k for 97% capacity.
This is ticket sales though which includes the tickets the schools have to purchase.
One commentator said the facility was only 1/2 full.
If you find a picture of the game post it. I did not watch although I paid attention to the score.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
I know no one watched the Splenda bowl
But did anyone else catch that the president of Allstate is a U of M guy? Between that and the VT ties with the Sugar Bowl execs, we never had a shot.
I ran some numbers. For 12.6 billion I could initiate a hostile take over of Allstate. Who’s in?
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
If you had 12.5999999999 Billion more make the same donation that I can, I think we can do this.
I want preferred stock BTW.
Anon_the_younger - January 3, 2012
Public companies can't issue preferred stock anymore.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Unless you're a bank or utility
Plus preferred stock typically has no voting power which is the opposite of what you want in a hostile take over.
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
The more I read about it and see the videos, the Cotton Bowl is a first class experience.
It also doesn’t hurt that they’ve run promos during every NFL game broadcasted on Fox in the past month.
I mean they’re really dressing it up to the nines. Considering that the Sugar Bowl essentially admitted they’re considering this year’s game a hassle in lieu of the BCS title game, it’s probably better for everyone involved that we went to the Cotton.
However, it would have been nice to beat the crap out of a Big Ten team.
Panjandrum - January 3, 2012
I'd like to beat the crap out of an SEC team
But it’s not our MO. It will be close and ugly.
I mean not everyone can expect a vampires v werewolves epic every game, but it looks like we might get one Friday.
/hehehe
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
Good news!
I shouldn’t try to take over the world after 10pm anymore. We can dismiss the board and install the BOTC crew for only $650,000,000!
BlackCats - January 3, 2012
I pledge a $1
since it is the first pledge, I should get a seat on the board.
Anon_the_younger - January 4, 2012
I quadruple his pledge.
And forcibly remove him from the board.
It’s mine!
ChrisP Wildcat - January 4, 2012
Settle down you two
I’ve already called Chairman.
BlackCats - January 4, 2012
You do not want Chris on the board, unless of course you like the clarinet.
Anon_the_younger - January 4, 2012
Rhapsody in Blue IS one of my favorite songs.
If he can play that and bring an orchestra, he’s in.
BlackCats - January 4, 2012
March of the Emperor on the clarinet is just not foreboding enough.
Catbacker98 - January 4, 2012
Money talks.
Maybe if you could match my generous pledge you wouldn’t be in this pickle.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 4, 2012
Well you are on the hook for an orchestra and playing the clarinet, I win!
Anon_the_younger - January 4, 2012
Funny thing is, I could probably actually swing an orchestra, through all my friends.
But I can’t actually play the clarinet.
ChrisP Wildcat - January 4, 2012
Weak sauce.
BlackCats - January 4, 2012
So let me reverse a scenario
Typical fall, KSU whips KU in football. You brag about it at the water cooler the next day. KU fan responds, “I don’t really care, because it’s basketball season, Late Night is tonight”
So we got whipped by KU on the court. Well I don’t really care because it’s still football season bitches!
GTcat - January 4, 2012
but in reality, I actually do care...
that sucked. Congrats Coach Self and no one else.
GTcat - January 4, 2012
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