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It wasn't Chip Kelly, but the Tampa Bay Buccaneers will deprive a college team of its head coach. Greg Schiano is leaving Rutgers to become the new head coach for the Bucs.
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On the recruiting front
Anyone else notice that Michael Smith is turning into a pretty good recruiter for us?
BeYard2 - January 27, 2012
He and Joe Bob seem to be great draws
I remember when I was in 4th grade and I got Michael Smith’s autograph because our field trip was to Kstate. We ran on the new field and got to see all the players in the locker rooms. I remember being in Snyder’s conference room but don’t remember him specifically. I believe that was the first year with new turf on Wagner Field and we played on it. Our teacher allowed us to play tackle football at lunch at old stadium also. Bruises and skinned knees were the best! Was it coincidence half my class went to Kstate after high school? Idk, but good times.
mjk7166 - January 27, 2012
this was 1989
mjk7166 - January 27, 2012
4th grade in 1989?
OMG I just got OLD.
Catbacker98 - January 30, 2012
They are both young, energetic, and smart
and really good with people. Smith and Clements are also the coaches the guys deal most directly with on a day-to-day basis, so it helps they are making these personal connections.
This is one of the reasons that I would be okay with a Joe Bob promotion, and also that I can think he could handle it.
You need younger guys to do your recruiting for you, at least at the personal level, this day and age. Yeah, I still want Snyder watching film and picking out how he wants, but after that send in Joe Bob or Michael to seal the deal
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
I saw an alarming amount of Sean Snyder
In the “recruited by” column yesterday.
Any thoughts?
BlackCats - January 27, 2012
He seems to be mostly getting KS kids
but he is young(er) and fresh.
I don’t mind him recruiting players, that’s part of his job. And if he is doing well, then that’s just another reason why he could be a better coach than we think he could be.
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
hmmm...
Has nothing better to do?
I think he’s only committed one guy…
BeYard2 - January 27, 2012
Yeah, the kid from Manhattan
that his son knows. Wonder how much that played into it… though gotta use connections when they come
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Oh he got a LB from TX too
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Seemed like I saw him more than that...
I’ll have to look again. My first thought was, is it a kicker? But e kid was a linebacker or something.
BlackCats - January 27, 2012
See directly above
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
x
Will Davis, Southlake, TX
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
6'1" with 4.6 speed
isn’t too bad for a LB
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Just the fact that he's out on the trail bothers me a bit.
BlackCats - January 27, 2012
He's doing work
and I’d rather have him out on the trail picking up decent kids, then sitting in his office playing with toys or something.
I don’t want Sean as HC or even DC, but I have no problem with him working towards being a good coach and recruiter. It only helps the team
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
I'd rather him recruit than coach b/c the two don't have to be that closely related
We all question his coaching, but that doesn’t necessarily mean we have to question his recruiting. He might be good at it. My advice to you if you’re that skeptical is to write down these names and see what types of players they turn into. Remember Jeff Rodgers? He was RP’s ST coordinator, but he was more on the staff b/c he had NFL ties, he was from the W coast, and I believe his dad had some recruiting service. I think SS could fill this capacity and pigeon hole himself right where he’s at.
GTcat - January 27, 2012
Uh, why?
I remember when he was made special teams coach some people here were upset we didn’t hire someone who’d recruit for us, and now we’re upset that he is recruiting?
Doesn’t make sense to me.
smitty3268 - January 27, 2012
Because you know Sean doesn't have experience at all with anything football related
Doesn’t make sense to me either, I don’t see how he wouldn’t have the ability to recruit and possibly recruit well.
MeatGeek - January 27, 2012
nope, none at all...
except being the son of a great head coach, and being an all-american punter in college.
Zip, zero, zilch, nada!
Jeremy Sharp - January 27, 2012
Yeah, I have no idea whether he has the personality to recruit kids or not
But just his last name and the All American status is going to open up a few doors. Whether he can close the deal, i have no idea.
I guess my point was, whether he is good or bad, is it really better for him to be sitting on a couch somewhere? Even if he’s a horrible recruiter, isn’t it better if he lucks into 1 kid a year rather than doing nothing?
Or do you guys think he’s actually screwing up our recruiting, by going to kids that want to come here and then they decide not to after they talk to him?
smitty3268 - January 27, 2012
Well, as mentioned above
he does have two kids linked to him, and one is from texas…so he has to be doing something right
jtarkman - January 28, 2012
my point is, I think too many people are putting too much into this SS thing
I don’t think he’s coaching material (yet), but that doesn’t mean he can’t recruit too. It’s as if some people have let popular opinion (which I agree with on the coaching front) flood into their overall impression of SS as an individual (which I don’t agree with). It’s as if some people’s thought process has gone as follows:
“well I know no one on BOTC likes the idea of SS as getting a coaching position above what he has, so he must suck at all things in life…HE CAN’T recruit!!!!!”
Point is, we all haven’t been fair to the guy, unless anyone of you out there throwing the darts has had a conversation with him (then I will listen). I haven’t had a conversation with the man, so I can’t tell you what he can or cannot do on a recruiting trail. Seems to me considering his previous position he held for a number of years, the guy has something for KSU. So when it comes to selling KSU to people who know nothing about it, I think he CAN be successful at that.
GTcat - January 28, 2012
It just seems to me like people here are actively rooting for Sean to fail, and they don't even care if it will help or hurt the FB team later
I don’t get it. He seems like a KSU guy to me, and I’ll always root for him. (Not that he should or will ever get a coaching job @KSU other than special teams)
smitty3268 - January 29, 2012
So if I understand you right, you and I
are essentially saying the same thing. That is essentially what I was trying to say.
GTcat - January 29, 2012
Are we going to campaign that he not recruit now as well?
This meme is getting old. If he is gathering nice young talent then who cares?
Catbacker98 - January 30, 2012
I'm conviced that Smith is a legit canidate the next time OC opens up
EMAW 4 Ever (iphone) - January 27, 2012 via iPhone app
Agreed
very much. And I wouldnt mind at all
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
All you need to know about signing day
Best Big XII class: Texas
Worst Big XII class: K-State
Anon_the_younger - January 27, 2012
FIFY
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
At this point, unless some miracle happens, KU will end up at the bottom.
Their lack of numbers is alarming. Ours are supplemented by seven grayshirts, meaning we have at least 23 commitments in this class. KU…I think they’re sitting at 12 going into the final weekend.
Panjandrum - January 27, 2012
Dunno about that...
I’m pretty high on the QB we got by the name of T. Bender.
BeYard2 - January 27, 2012
Agreed
and Gronkowski
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Y'all are missing the point.
It doesn’t matter how they rank the recruiting class as much as what the players do once they are at the school and how they are coached.
Anon_the_younger - January 27, 2012
So what you are trying to say is....
Texas State Champs!
Disco Time - January 27, 2012
#BOOM
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Roll Tire!
Catbacker98 - January 30, 2012
Very true
I just meant I actually think they will grade KU’s class as worse than ours. KSU will be 9 of 10.
But, yes, your point is very valid. Seems to me that our “poor” group of 3 stars and jucos beats the perennial top-5 recruiting class in the country on a regular basis…fwiw
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Exactly
I forget, but wasn’t the first class Snyder recruited when he came back ranked in the 90s? That one included Tramaine Thompson, Hubert, Andre McDonald and Ty Zimmerman. Of course it also included guys who signed, were placed in JUCO and then committed elsewhere (Marcus Kennard), or whom we never heard from again (Clarence Bumpas, Carlton Callender), but the point being that recruiting is an inexact science and recruiting gurus have never given love to K-State in their rankings. Which is fine. If rankings were everything then Texas and Florida would play for the national championship just about every year, with Notre Shame, Michigan and Ohio State nipping at their heals (I will not mention Alabama or LSU since, well, they win as expected).
CT-K-Stater - January 27, 2012
I know D. Scott and Brian Gates have argued
on our behalf in regards to those rankings. They don’t include transfers or greyshirts, both of which would greatly increase K-State’s profile.
I have no doubt, though, that HCBS doesnt give a sh*t about where his team is in the recruiting rankings, nor should he. He is going for quality, and a certain type of athlete that doesn’t grade well in normal circles. We all know what happened when he started trying to go after kids with more stars beside their names…04 and 05
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Agreed
Its just too difficult to determine recruiting rankings considering the diversity of competitive environments at the high school level. Are the kids mature, able to adjust to college, ready to tackle school work and all the strength and conditioning requirements to be asked of them? Do they have unstable backgrounds or tendencies towards anti-social behavior (Lawrence Philips springs to mind here)? Do they still have a lot of room for physical growth?
So many factors to consider. You can sign a top-20 class and four years later see half of those kids kicked out of school or having left of their own volition.
CT-K-Stater - January 27, 2012
All of this^^
Braden Wilson was a two-star kid that greyshirted, and has been the top-rated fullback in college football the last two years.
Jordy Nelson, Darren Sproles, and Mark Simoneau also say HAI
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
The fact is...
that when a kid commits to a school like a Texas or Ohio State the recruiting websites typically bump him up a star (i.e. 3 star recruit becomes 4 star) due to the fact that they think if a school like that is interested they must be better than originally thought.
Also, I could care less about recruiting reports, higher rankings don’t translate here at K-State where the coaches demand players be good people. See Wallace Judge and Bryce Brown.
k-stater86 - January 27, 2012
agreed
ratings dont mean much if the kid has a poor attitude or cant handle being in college
jtarkman - January 27, 2012 via Android app
You do realize that Rivals and ESPN curve their numbers right?
This will be one of the best recruiting classes Snyder has brought in since he got here. Particularly in the positions that need assistance right away.
Catbacker98 - January 30, 2012
I read the reports of the Schiano situation at Rutgers
and just thank God that Bill Synder is a better person than that, and loves K-State so much. We know he got many offers to coach at bigger schools, but he never left and now has a stadium and highway named in his honor (and probably more things to come later).
I know we get mad at his nepotism sometimes, and his blind loyalty to assistants, but he is still Bill Snyder, and he is still (in my mind) one of the greatest coaches who ever lived.
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
I mean, Schiano was there for ten years and brought that program from nothing to a legit program.
Especially with the precarious situation that is the Big East now, can’t blame him for doing something he felt was right for his family.
Do not understand the indignation of Rutgers fans at all.
yeahboozin - January 27, 2012
It's the way it happened.
Five of his assistants were with a couple of blue chip recruits, waiting for him to show up at the meeting. They apparently had ESPN on while they were waiting and the coaches and recruits found out together that he was leaving. Where do you think those blue chippers are going to go to school?
BlackCats - January 27, 2012
This^^
and he was getting paid very well at Rutgers, and had ultimate job stability (he was their version of Bill Synder)
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Only good argument is that he left so he wouldnt have to deal with
all the recruiting BS… but again, he should have handled it differently
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
I never found Schiano to be much of a game-day coach
but he was an excellent recruiter. That was his reputation dating back to his time as an assistant at Miami (The U) and that was why he was lured to East Brunswick. Rutgers had never been able to protect their backyard from poachers like Penn State, Notre Dame and Nebraska. Just keeping the mid-tier players at home was enough to give that program some footing because, well, let’s face it: it isn’t exactly Murderer’s Row in the Big Least.
My guess it wasn’t the recruiting that prompted Schiano to bolt, it was the fragility of the Big Least situation and where Rutgers would find itself in the college football picture that spurred this (that and the challenge of the NFL and more $$$, obviously). He could have left Rutgers 5 years ago for the Michigan job and he didn’t.
CT-K-Stater - January 27, 2012
I could see that.
I bet Rutgers was one of those schools that contacted the Big 12. And I wouldn’t mind having them, the are good academically, bring in some decent TV markets, and would regularly give the Baylor Women a run for their money…
/gononrevenuesports
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
They were one of those schools that contacted the Big-12.
Take that to the bank.
CT-K-Stater - January 27, 2012
Them and Louisville
and probably Cincinnati. I bet they wanted to follow quickly behind WVU
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
As crazy as it sounds
even UConn reached out, too. Who wouldn’t hope for a life preserver when they are on a sinking ship?
CT-K-Stater - January 27, 2012
i thought
UConn was pretty set with BEast basketball?? they didnt move up to FBS football until the early 00’s
jtarkman - January 27, 2012 via Android app
They want out as bad as anyone
after Pitt and ’Cuse announced they were leaving for the ACC. Our moronic governor, Dan Malloy, did his best foot-in-mouth Jay Nixon impression by flat-out stating that UConn was begging to join the ACC. The UConn prez basically confirmed that. Desperate times call for desperate solutions I guess. Because of their success in hoops there is also an inflated sense of where they are (or, I should say, where they believe they should be) in football, particularly after making the jump to D-1A with all its inherent costs.
CT-K-Stater - January 27, 2012
They are all just nutty over there
they wanted to expand football, increase brand exposure, and now it seems they would rather just go back to being known for basketball only…even with the new additions
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Precisely, Black
Looking at greener pastures, fine. Waiting until the 11th hour and plotting in secrecy? Not good.
CT-K-Stater - January 27, 2012
Eh.
Sometimes these things happen very quickly and the candidate has no control over timing.
Assistant coaches and recruits are always affected by coaching changes. There’s not much one can do about it.
yeahboozin - January 27, 2012
Not saying Schiano is a sleeze
I believe he cared about the Rutgers program. And yes, the circumstances were unique. Just might have been handled better than leaving assistants in the lurch on the recruiting trail.
CT-K-Stater - January 27, 2012
Yeah send a fricking text on your way out of the meeting to your assistants.
BlackCats - January 28, 2012
Manny Diaz for Rutgers
Anon_the_younger - January 27, 2012
Yes please
Or Mike Stoops. Dude is a heckuva DC…
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Funny story
Tuberville is on the Hot-Seat
Maybe they shouldn’t have ran Mike Leach off…….dumbasses
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
The massive flop at the end of the season would put Meyer, Saban, or even Snyder on the hot seat
Sean T - January 27, 2012
but man oh man do they stock the tank full down there. Check out the last 2 recruiting classes
and this years. Top 25 all 3 years. Leach couldn’t do that. Obviously it proves recruiting’s not everything, but what I am saying is if TT does get the boot, whoever the next
Dykesguy is there has TT to thank for the stock tank of talent.GTcat - January 27, 2012
But, but, but
Isn’t it pretty freaking cool that TT coaches at TT? I just noticed this.
/easilyamused
Jeremy Sharp - January 27, 2012
I'm surprised no one else makes much of that
I noticed that the day he was hired. He probably drives an AUDI TT as well.
GTcat - January 27, 2012
ha!
Jeremy Sharp - January 27, 2012
Do you suppose his wife has big TTs?
Sean T - January 27, 2012
everything is bigger in Texas
though if they were TT’s she would probably need a special brace/walker just to be able to walk around with them
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
lol
I assume you are referring to a bra size of TT.
I think Sean was using “TT” to actually mean the body part in general.
Kind of like when someone in my fantasy league used “Show me your TD’s” as their team slogan. lol
Jeremy Sharp - January 27, 2012
I know what he meant
i just felt like going in a different direction…
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
I applaud you for it
Those would be monsters. I wonder what size Wendy Whoppers’ TT’s are? I’d say they have to be in the triple letter size range.
Jeremy Sharp - January 27, 2012
Just like Snyder, Leach did more with a lot less
he took unheralded west texas kids and put them in the record books.
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
I'm thinking we aren't going to have any news
about the DC spot until after signing day. Don’t want kids decommiting because they don’t like the choice. Not saying we WILL choose badly but could change a kids mind.
Does the DC at Rutgers look like an option? Dunno who that is or if he even did a good job. Just throwing it out there.
BeYard2 - January 27, 2012
Haha, just about to throw something up about this
I just wish that there was something, anything from Snyder or Currie or the situation. I mean, i assume things are happening, and Snyder likes to take his time, but cm’on guys, you could even just tell us that Cosh is gone!
Oh well, I guess we’re just stuck waiting…
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
I was just about to throw-up about it to...
er… uhhhh… yeah
BeYard2 - January 27, 2012
Hahaha...
not what I meant, but yes I also agree with this :-P
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
I dunno why everyone thinks Currie would come out and say anything about a DC hire
Other than, “that’s in HCBS’s ballpark, and when he wants to come negotiate a salary for the next hire I’ll listen”. Seriously, I wouldn’t want my AD stepping in on HC duties. That’s the exact reason why Tim Weiser left…Prez Wefald was basically overriding Weiser (as I understand it) and doing several things that fell under the job description of AD.
GTcat - January 27, 2012
Currie probably would/should intervene if the choice were Sean, but agreed on all other counts.
Panjandrum - January 27, 2012
I still think Snyder is smarter than that
Sean just doesn’t have the experience required for something like that. He does for special teams based on playing experience, but I think even Snyder knew that it was a bit of a risky hire.
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Nothing Bill would do in relation to Sean would surprise me in the least.
Panjandrum - January 27, 2012
I think you are more pessimistic about it than I am
but to each his own
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
I doubt Snyder Sr. would want to make his son into a national laughingstock by hiring him for something he's so obviously unqualified for
smitty3268 - January 27, 2012
Nothing Bill would do in relation to Sean would surprise me in the least.
Panjandrum - January 27, 2012
Honestly, it would surprise me if
Bill fired Sean
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
well played, sir.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 27, 2012
There's plenty he could do that would shock me
I don’t expect to see him fire Sean. I don’t expect him to line him up as a HCIW. I don’t expect him to suddenly go from special teams to DC or OC.
smitty3268 - January 27, 2012
This^
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Kellis has something in his blog about the likelihood of Hayes getting it.
I mean, whatever. I don’t give a damn at this point. I’m done being optimistic that Bill will ever open his doors to someone outside of his mafia.
It’s so hard for me to like someone so much between the white lines, but dislike them so much from January to September. I don’t know if I’ll ever understand it.
Read more here: http://blogs.kansas.com/kstated/2012/01/27/kansas-states-new-defensive-coordinator-may-come-from-within-current-staff/#storylink=cpy
Panjandrum - January 27, 2012
I linked it below.......
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Sorry, haven't gotten that far down yet. Still catching up.
Panjandrum - January 27, 2012
Geez....
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Dad burn razza frass!
MadCat - January 27, 2012
Yeah, pretty uninspired.
But the man is set in his ways – and we would be fools to argue with the results to this point.
One thing I am excited to see is Joe Gordon on the recruiting trail. Seems to have a great rep and maybe he can be an x-factor in getting some more of these guys we’re currently whiffing on?
yeahboozin - January 27, 2012
I don't think Gordon can recruit. He's not technically a coach.
Panjandrum - January 27, 2012
You are correct
however, you could make Hayes the LB coach, and move Gordon to DB’s…then he could recruit, even if he didn’t coach much…(that guy at Auburn that Spencer Hall brought up comes to mind)
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
I thought this was a likely scenario. The Seiler stuff came out of left field.
Panjandrum - January 27, 2012
Well Blake is a grad assistant
and could coach the DE’s if Joe Bob moved back.
But with his overall experience, it would be easier for Hayes to move up, and put Gordon in the DB spot.
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Well if this is true...
dammit Bill.
yeahboozin - January 27, 2012
It's true. He can't leave campus to recruit right now.
But apparently, many players have been “sold” by Gordon upon their visit and have said so. Such is the word from Fitz and Co.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 27, 2012
Which is prefectly legal and acceptable
he can even do scouting (from home) and compile lists of potential recruits to give the staff
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Thanks, I didn't mean to imply it wasn't within the rules, but I wasn't clear on that.
It would seem that Gordon could do some serious damage if we were able to turn him loose on the road as an assistant coach.
Itchy n Scratchy - January 27, 2012
Agreed
He has LOTS of connections, especially in Texas (where he ran a recruiting firm…like Butler in Wichita except a lot less shady and much better quality)
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
What if what Kellis wrote about happens?
Would Joe Bob be able to actively recruit? I know he can’t right now.
yeahboozin - January 27, 2012
Joe Bob is a full time member of the staff
as an assistant coach which means not only can he recruit, but he is supposed to recruit
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
a little bit of traction on this on both
Both the gpc podcast and stan Weber’s spot on 810. Some rumor too that wallerstedt has offers between Ariz state and ksu
GTcat - January 28, 2012
Don't go to ASU...that HC is like a hot potato.
Catbacker98 - January 30, 2012
Remember Pan he got burned once by doing this...
Ludwig was a great choice to be the OC but then he bailed last minute. Perhaps he is wary to go outside of the cast of characters that he knows. Just a stab in the dark though.
Catbacker98 - January 30, 2012
I hate linking him anymore
but DUbben breaks down the top returning NFL talent in the Big 12 (from the master-list).
Braden Wilson #1 FB (as he was last year as a Junior)
Arthur Brown #4 LB and only ILB in the Big 12
//notice: both are kids from Kansas, so yeah….all you haters can SUCK IT, Kansas (the state) is good at football too!!
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Also
Tanner Hawkinson is on the list (for KU) and he is from Kansas too…so yeah
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
It isn't that KS kids can't play football,
it is that KS has a small population so there are fewer individuals at the upper end of the distribution that have the characteristics of a D1, or for that matter NFL, type player. FL has about 10 times the number of people as KS, so you should expect about 10 times the number of players from FL as from KS.
Anon_the_younger - January 27, 2012
With the large set of 8-man teams,
I wonder how many super-fast scatbacks slip through the proverbial cracks? I know that my senior year of high school, we had a kid who was about 5’10" and weighed about 155-160, but ran in the 4.4s or so in the 40. He even had pretty good strength for his size as well, but he never received any sniffs from KSU or KU, and I wonder if part of that was the fact that we played 8-man football.
Collin's Bloody Elbow - January 27, 2012
wouldnt doubt it
there is a learning curve there. last player i remember making a successful switch at ksu was Logan Robinson, and even he sat out for a couple years learning to play 11-man
jtarkman - January 27, 2012 via Android app
It's funny, because it's not THAT hard to adjust.
In Texas, they play 6-man, which has completely different rules. But 8-man has the exact same rules, with the only exceptions being you have two less interior linemen and one less back. I actually went from playing 8-man to coaching 11-man, and the principles are a lot the same. The 8-man game is just a LOT faster.
Collin's Bloody Elbow - January 27, 2012
You mean less defensive...
MeatGeek - January 27, 2012
Not really, though.
The best teams usually have great defenses. We finished #2 in the state my senior year (behind Claflin), and I think we gave up MAYBE 10 points per game. Claflin was about the same, or even a couple points less. Now the BAD teams? They gave up WAY more points than the bad 11-man teams did, so your point holds in that case, but just not for the good teams.
Collin's Bloody Elbow - January 27, 2012
I do recall that if you have the fastest kid on the field
you are going to win a lot of games
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
or the biggest
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
If I were coaching against one of those "one kid" teams,
I’d just put one of my DBs spying him on every play, and make one of the other skill position players beat me. Because other teams did this with our tailback, we really developed a lot of balance on offense. But, in general, if you get a couple of kids with decent speed (4.5-4.6), and a couple of kids with decent size (190-210 pounds) to block for them, then yeah, you’re going to do pretty well on offense in 8-man.
Collin's Bloody Elbow - January 27, 2012
Maybe you should call/email someone on the staff
and give them the low-down on making sure they look hard at the small school kids.
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
I look at it more as a failing of those kids' coaches.
There aren’t enough of the 8-man gems to justify dedicating a recruiting staff member to them, so it then falls on the HCs of those boys to put their name out there to colleges, once they see that they have something special in a kid who runs, say, a sub-4.5 forty.
One reason Osborne was able to find those big 8-man linemen-types was because size is so much easier to identify without having to actually dedicate full-time recruiting staff. If a kid is 6’5", 275, then there’s no “fudging” that. Sometimes, with speed, a 4.7 kid, who’s playing in a slow league can “become” a 4.4-4.5 kid, if you know what I mean.
Collin's Bloody Elbow - January 27, 2012
Yeah
and thats a good take on it. Not sure how to fix that though
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Shrugs
I’ve only ever watched the 8 man teams around my hometown for the most part. If they don’t score over 30 it’s because the QB fumbled in the redzone repeatedly. Though I did watch St. Paul once in their heyday. That was a treat.
MeatGeek - January 27, 2012
I dunno, that's just what I heard from some coaches
and players.
I agree with you though, I wish we got more of those faster kids…
Osborne got those mammoth western Nub kids all the time, and I think they play 8-man too
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
I'm not saying that 4.4-types grow on trees at 8-man schools,
but just that the ones who ARE out there could possibly be overlooked based on playing for 8-man teams. I, on the other hand, was a 6’1, 170 pound FB, who ran a 4.9 forty, and was never in any danger of being recruited! :)
Collin's Bloody Elbow - January 27, 2012
oh i know
i just felt like being onery because i could. if you looked at that list, most were from teaxs with 1 FL kid and 2 MD kids (both at WVU)
jtarkman - January 27, 2012 via Android app
Robert Upshaw Interview
I love the attitude this kid displays…
k-stater86 - January 27, 2012
I agree
I think someone has posted this vid before, but it is nice to listen to again. I like the way he comes across, sounds intelligent
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
I agree
Particularly for an 17 or 18 year old. Happy to see him take on Gip, Diaz, JO in practice.
I hope he enjoys being pushed!
Sean T - January 27, 2012
From the KC Star
Neinas sends more shots Mizzou’s way…sounds a little pissed, IMO
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
The thing to remember is that aTm is trying to negotiate with the Big XII this week.
And some of what he is saying to Missouri is also meant for aTm.
If both teams leaving causes the conference to lose money on the tv deals, then you can guarantee that neither aTm or Missouri is going to get the deal that Nebraska received. Just like aTm and Missouri acted in what they consider their best interests, so will the Big XII and the member teams.
Then again the Big XII could invite a school to play in the conference for a year. I nominate Pitt State.
Anon_the_younger - January 27, 2012
Hey, that's not a bad option
I still want WSU though…undefeated since 1987!!
http://www.bringbackshockerfootball.com/
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Spencer nabbed a statement about Jordy from back in the day!
Statement: “He’s got deceptive quickness and field smarts.”
Translation: “Yeah, we signed a white wide receiver.”
Sean T - January 27, 2012
Except, Jordy wasn't "signed"
Snyder convinced him to walk-on then gave him a scholly later
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Details
MeatGeek - January 27, 2012
Well I kinda figured that was common knowledge
but if you look back at the recruiting lists, he wasnt on anything for his recruited years (03-04).
From K-StateSports.com
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Yet again
I’m still left flabbergasted about all that.
MeatGeek - January 27, 2012
I don't understand what youre not getting???
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
That Jordy had to walk on out of high school
I mean he probably was going to go to KSU no matter what, and Riley County is a small school(it’s still right there though). But he was a specimen of beastmode when I saw him at the State Track Meet his senior year.
MeatGeek - January 27, 2012
But he was still just an "Athlete" in football
I heard he did have track scholarships, and scholarships to smaller schools in football, but Snyder convinced him to come to KSU and walk-on.
Old Bill is smarter than we give him credit for. Saved a scholly for that year, and gave it to him the next
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
I wonder if we're going to have a similar discussion about Finney in four years
He works his way into a 3rd or 4th round pick, all conference selection, and we’re giggling about how clever Snyder was about getting Finney to come to K-State.
Sean T - January 27, 2012
I really hope so
such a great kid, I hope great things come around for him
jtarkman - January 28, 2012
Damnit!!!
Kellis has a “source” on the search for DC
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Nothing against Hayes, but...
…please, God, no.
TB - January 27, 2012
Agreed
if Snyder does that he needs to put the Co- title on Joe Bob
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
I give up on Snyder ever reaching outside "the tree" again
About the best I could have ever hoped for was when he first came back and hired Andy Ludwig (who served exactly, what? a month?) and Vic Koenning (one full year before he sprinted away). At this point he’s worn me down so much I’m just happy he even bothered to pick up the phone and call Wallerstadt – if he even did that much.
CT-K-Stater - January 27, 2012
This is the flip side to Bill.
Hayes isn’t a horrible choice. He knows how to coach a defense.
I’m fucking pissed they won’t go out and get a goddamn linebacker coach, though. I mean, for Christ’s sake, go get Josh Buhl and get him to do it if your plan is to move Joe Bob back there and promote Seiler.
Panjandrum - January 27, 2012
Bring him in to be a "Grad Assistant"
at the least
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Simoneau needs a job too...
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Why not?
Panjandrum - January 27, 2012
They could at least use the
“He played in the NFL on a super bowl team” card
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
I'd take him. I'd take Buhl. I prefer a former linebacker to coach my linebackers.
And, yes, for those of you who would point out that coaches don’t always coach the position they played, I’m aware. However, when you have a lot of guys who could probably do the job who played the position at an All-American level, and probably could use a nice high-paying job, I mean, they’re worth a phone call.
Panjandrum - January 27, 2012
Why stop there? Brooks Barta anyone?
Personally I just want Snyder to make one teensy-weensy hire outside his circle. A new linebackers coach coming from inside that circle is fine, but I’d prefer fresh blood for a new defensive coordinator.
I’m sure Tom Hayes is (was) solid in that role, but we need to get some energy and aggressiveness back on the defensive side of the ball and it all flows from the coordinator. I would have been quite happy with Wallerstadt.
CT-K-Stater - January 27, 2012
Technically speaking
Hayes IS outside the Snyder “circle.” Yeah, he was at Iowa, but he never worked with/for Bill before he came here (Hayes left Iowa in 78, Snyder arrived in 79).
My biggest beef with Hayes is his age, and the overall age of the coaches in high places in the staff. I wanted someone younger, that could take over in a few years(or 10) when Snyder decided he was ready to retire for good.
I think Hayes will be fine, but what the staff really needs is younger/fresher blood, not necessarily newer
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Currie will get the one thing his resume lacks...
a big coaching hire when Bill retires…provided Sean doesn’t somehow snatch up that position.
MadCat - January 27, 2012
Hopefully Currie already has his eye on someone
that he can sneak onto the staff in the next year or two…
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
That is an accurate point
but like I said “energy” is needed (thus your point about age). Plus, Hayes wasn’t hired (at least initially) by Snyder with the d-coordinator gig in mind.
CT-K-Stater - January 27, 2012
To blow your mind....
Maybe he WAS hired with the DC job in mind…maybe Snyder really did understand how bad Cosh was and just couldn’t get rid of him in time…maybe Snyder is more conniving than any of us realize (except for Pan and his conspiracy theories)………
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
off topic sorta
But where’s Ian Campbell these days?? The simmeneau talk reminded me of Ian training at his place and the50" verticle did of him I posted this summer
GTcat - January 28, 2012
Simoneau has a training outfit in KC.
link
One of the Wehrman brothers (the youngest one, who did NOT go to KSU) works with him.
Jeremy Sharp - January 27, 2012
FYI
If anyone is coming into manhattan for the game tomorrow, you must make a pit stop at Taco Lucha (it is connected to So Long) for some delicious tacos. I just ate there for lunch and already want to go back for dinner.
k-stater86 - January 27, 2012
It's ok
They try to overdo it in my opinion. I just wish we had a just a regular, old dirty greasy Taco/Burrito joint down in Aggieville. Everyone should know those are the best types of places, as long as you ignore the occassional food poisioning.
MeatGeek - January 27, 2012
Like Hunam...
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
Best curry chicken in the world
TB - January 27, 2012
Exactly this.
MeatGeek - January 27, 2012
Yuck
There are no stray animals in Aggieville. Totally unrelated, I’m sure.
Sean T - January 27, 2012
Well there was that goat last year during the weekend of the spring game...
MeatGeek - January 28, 2012
At least they finally updated the Coaches page
on K-StateSports.com so we don’t have to look at the stupid grin anymore
jtarkman - January 27, 2012
So I'm taking a girl on a date tonight
We’re going to Rock a Belly, then the game. She’s a grad student from back east, who’s never been. Good winning idea or no?
MeatGeek - January 28, 2012
As long as you don't turn into a raving lunatic at the games...
…I’d say good plan.
Summer beer at Rock-a-Belly…mmmmmm…
TB - January 28, 2012
I don't really unless I've been drinking hard
So I’m sure I’m safe on that account. Just in case, may need to limit any drinks I have at dinner.
MeatGeek - January 28, 2012
rockabelly's a good 1
The little grille another if out of the way dive with authentic jamaican sounds intriguing
GTcat - January 28, 2012
Only if you have 3 hours for dinner.
Sean T - January 28, 2012
I really would like to try that place though.
MeatGeek - January 28, 2012
By all means. I thought the food was good, even if I didn't like the music on that night
But it is slow, so keep that in mind.
Sean T - January 28, 2012
K-State men's team update from Curtis
http://curtiskitchen.com/k-state-hoops-buy-hold-or-sell/ – interesting. I really want Will to come back. He can’t continue to shoot so horribly, can he? I like the Cats to finish ~12-6 with good Will, but I think he’s important enough as a scorer that without a consistent 10+ ppg, the Cats will struggle the rest of the season.
No more awful catastrophes for Jamar would be nice too. What on earth was that thing in Lubbock?
Sean T - January 28, 2012
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