K-State Basketball
Frank Martin has officially reinstated Jordan Henriquez, and the junior center could play for K-State tonight in Lubbock against Texas Tech.
Even with Henriquez back, don't be surprised to see freshman Adrian Diaz log some minutes. Despite Martin's "piss poor job coaching that kid" earlier this year, Diaz is starting to understand his role for K-State.
With Angel Rodriguez making an appearance in the starting lineup, Martavious Irving now provides a spark off the bench for K-State.
This doesn't necessarily fit under basketball specifically, but K-State is 49th in the country in money spent on recruiting.
Big 12 Basketball
In Tuesday action, Texas got a home win over Iowa State, while Baylor managed to get back on the winning track against Oklahoma in Norman.
College Football
Texas gave Mack Brown a four-year contract extension, which means his contract now runs through 2020. Chip Brown tweeted that the rumors this fall of Brown stepping down were negative-recruiting based, so an extension was the answer. To which I say well done, devious Bill Snyder. Well done.
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I don't see Mack coaching past 2016
EMAW 4 Ever - January 25, 2012
Mack Brown is a curious contract extension to me
Any coach of Texas is going to get every recruit he wants. While Mack has had success in some years, his production given the talent is paled by other coaches like Snyder or Gary Patterson to name a couple. His salary is outrageous also. I just don’t see the production warranting the extension and salary.
mjk7166 - January 25, 2012
My thoughts as well...with the talent / resources available he has underperformed
mac attack ict - January 25, 2012
I think Texas is poised to have a very good season next year
We’ll see if Mack and his new staff can still get it done. If they struggle again, I’m willing to say his ship has sailed.
Andrew Clark - January 25, 2012
Was listening to 810 AM this morning in KC
and Nate (the resident KU homer) asked their guest Stephen Bardo why he thought Frank Martin always had suspension troubles and whether it was more prevalent at K-State than anywhere else.
I was really pleased with Bardo’s answer that he did not think it was more prevalent, and that he commended Frank for taking a hardline on these types of issues. Really, coming from a KU guy, to ask that question is just ridiculous!
Its nice to know not every talking head has his own head up his you know what.
xrayxtals - January 25, 2012
Yea I've been hard on Frank's discipline in the past
but the alternative of being like KU, allowing fights, drugs, DUI, molestation in elevators, etc etc etc with little or no discipline would be much, much worse. I’m glad he teaches them to be good people.
mjk7166 - January 25, 2012
Yes because Bill Self obviously doesn't do that.
Warden11 - January 25, 2012
I'm sure he works at it hard, but past situations would lead one to believe that he is less susccessful than many at this aspect.
Now, the argument can be made that he is working with more troubled kids, etc., but it is not an out of bounds comment. Plus, you must realize this is a KSU site, right? What are you looking for, a kumbaya moment or something?
mac attack ict - January 25, 2012
Other than the football/basketball brawl...
…I’m not sure there’s a lot of evidence to support which coach is more successful than the other at disciplining his players.
I certainly don’t support singing Kumbaya with KU fans, but that’s no excuse for making unsupportable statements about which coach is better at disciplining his players.
TB - January 25, 2012
mjk mentioned some instances in his post...
mac attack ict - January 25, 2012
KSU's got "instances"
None of the guys are saints, we all know this. Hate on Bill Self all you want but be prepared to have something better than “this is a KSU specific site” as your evidence.
Warden11 - January 25, 2012
Feisty today are we?
BlackCats - January 25, 2012
No, just wondered what evidence there was for that statement.
Warden11 - January 25, 2012
I can't remember...
what were the consequences for Thomas Robinson punching someone at a club (when he was underage no less)?
whatever happened to the guy who found his g.f. sleeping with some other dude and forced entry into the house and knocked someone’s head into a sink?
I don’t remember how those situations were handled by Self.
k-stater86 - January 25, 2012
Don't remember the results from Robinson, might have been handled "internally".
Mario Little was suspended for 6 games.
Warden11 - January 25, 2012
OK, here is the deal...
I do not wish to spend time quantifying all the “issues” of both programs so forget it. More to the point, if I had go over to your site making such claims I would have my duckies in a row. I am not on the fake bird site, but a real site and therefore taylored my comments to the audience. That you would expect different shows something.
mac attack ict - January 25, 2012
Fair enough but it seems like your site editor might disagree:
I feel the same. Yes, it happens at our site as well and it’s just as dumb there.
Warden11 - January 25, 2012
I do disagree, but for mac attack ict...
…that doesn’t mean you’re not entitled to disagree with me.
TB - January 25, 2012
That is all I am saying - when you are on a blog for a specific team you should not be suprised to find some slant to the discussions.
Also, if you smack the hornets nest you best have your bee suit on. And while I also agree with the editor, there were clear examples in the original post…if they were not enough for some then OK, but they were clearly there.
mac attack ict - January 25, 2012
If he smacked a hornets nest, why wouldn't he have his hornet suit on, instead of his bee suit?
He can’t blend in if he’s dressed like a bee!
Sean T - January 25, 2012
rec for that Sean T
funniest thing I heard all day!!!
BeYard2 - January 25, 2012
Wasn't sure they made hornet suits...do they?
Wasp suits? Or is a WASP suit any suit with a 3 button jacket?
mac attack ict - January 26, 2012
Two button traditionally.
Three buttons are for those young punks.
BlackCats - January 26, 2012
And I do not have the time or desire to build a discipline matrix between the two coaches
I believe it is fairly common knowledge that KU has had more “issues” with their program / players than KSU has.
mac attack ict - January 25, 2012
Can you build some sort of matrix
That charts how often Beakers come from RCT to crash the BOTC party?
MeatGeek - January 25, 2012
Were still trying to tie it up
After K.Scott.Bailey gave you guys a huge lead in “stirring the pot on other people’s blogs” :)
Andrew Clark - January 25, 2012
while I have no proof of that (b/c sorry I'll never join your site)
I’m not the least bit surprised. I could see how he could do that quite well.
GTcat - January 25, 2012
I suppose
I should have remembered that.
MeatGeek - January 26, 2012
Of course it's common knowledge among KSU fans, we forget what our own guys do and revel in what KU's guys do
KU fans are the same way. It doesn’t mean either is right.
Unless a team gets into a brawl (Oregon – BSU, Xavier – Cincy, or the intra-KU fight) I think the most fair statement is both school have some morons that make the rest of the guys look bad for 5 minutes, and then everyone moves on.
Sean T - January 25, 2012
I'll def agree KU's had some more issues
But I wouldn’t say Self lets guys get away from it. And anytime someone has done it more than once, they’ve been shipped out (Giles).
Another issue is KU’s problems get blown up by the media. I mean, Robinson getting in some guy’s face at a club for calling him the N word gets front paged on ESPN. How many other teams would that happen to?
Some of it could be luck too. Your always running a risk with a bunch of student athletes. KU has had “when it rains it pours” seasons, and other years where it didn’t seem like much happened.
I think Self usually responds in a decent way though.
Andrew Clark - January 25, 2012
Exactly!
Scott McKinney - January 25, 2012
If the rumor about JO snapping at Martin are true, this couldn't have worked out any better.
Light a fire under JO, let Martin know he needs a different approach, still win the game at OSU (and God willing at TT), and they have something to laugh about later. Perfect.
If I could get a bigger version of the image from the Diaz article with the tricksey little hobbit being blocked, I would make it my desktop wallpaper. I love that picture. Angel
may beis the PG of the future, and Gipson is a stud in the making, but I think Diaz could wind up being the most important member of this class, and because of height issues for Angel and Gip, the most likely to be drafted by the NBA too. He needs weight and work on his FTs and shot blocking, but I’m very happy with what I’ve seen recently.http://cjonline.com/sports/2012-01-24/kevin-haskin-suspension-shakes-placid-cats – Maybe he’s right, but I rather like following a “placid” football team.
“He wanted to do something that would bring consistency to K-State’s bench and add a spark to the starting lineup.” My kingdom for consistency! I hope Kellis is right Martin did this to bring consistency to the starting lineup and the bench. As much as I don’t like Martin’s substitution methods, I don’t know if I’ve ever complained about his use of starting or subbing. He handled Jamar beautifully two years ago, and I hope this winds up being the same way.
Sean T - January 25, 2012
that picture is crazy
if you look from just the elbow up, it looks like he has a hairy, 3-fingered paw for an arm. lolz
xrayxtals - January 25, 2012
Does anyone get PI the magazine and is it worth the price.
ATL Jim - January 25, 2012
:0
iCatDormRat - January 25, 2012
I have not received the publication in years
but the fact that I once did and no longer do is probably all the reply you need…of course, it could be much better now and I would not know.
mac attack ict - January 25, 2012
it's like 6 issues a year now, or maybe quarterly
I try and buy the pre-season version, it seemed almost worth it (I think it’s like $9) recruiting might be worth it, but all of them all year probably not.
GTcat - January 25, 2012
Anyone have thoughts on Tom Hayes
ATL Jim - January 25, 2012
I would like to know this as well...I don't know much about him.
mac attack ict - January 25, 2012
Interesting hire.
Tom Hayes
BlackCats - January 25, 2012
Thanks BlackCats...that is a fairly extensive resume;
except the stint at Kansas. Oops…I had better back up my assessment of his performance at KU with some statistics lest I be chastised for being too supportive of KSU on a KSU blog…
Sorry TB, couldn’t resist a bit more fun at your expense.
On a serious note, I wonder how Tom passed under my radar in the program – anybody know why he was out of coaching for a couple of years? The bio implies he was out of coaching after Kansas and before Stanford. He seems fairly accomplished to be at Tulane in 2010.
mac attack ict - January 25, 2012
Maybe he retired then returned to coaching...?
MadCat - January 25, 2012
for a second I thought that link was going to show me he got promoted
#wipessweatfrombrow
GTcat - January 25, 2012
my reaction as well
on both ends
CT-K-Stater - January 25, 2012
The pass defense sucked horribly last year, and that was supposedly his job
I don’t know if I can blame him or Cosh for their strategy of allowing eleventybillion yards a game through the air, but I’m certainly not impressed right now. I’m also not impressed he never got Hartman to tackle properly.
Sean T - January 25, 2012
Wait, i thought we were blaming everything bad on defense on Cosh?
smitty3268 - January 25, 2012
Nah, we just knew who he was. We're assuming he was the main DC, and responsible for the bend-bend-bend-bend-break defense we saw
But I don’t know if we have any proof of that.
Sean T - January 25, 2012
Hayes was the Passing game coordinator
jtarkman - January 25, 2012
An article about the Cats' depth
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=ap-t25-deepk-state – In Frank I still trust, but his substitutions can drive a man to drink.
Sean T - January 25, 2012
This statement bothers me
"If I was a football coach, I’d drive you guys crazy," Martin said with a sly grin. "I’d sub the quarterback—I’d sub everybody. If guys don’t do their jobs, why should they play? I don’t care what they did last year or last week, last game. You’ve got to do your job every day."
Guys make mistakes. For crying out loud we are all human. Making a mistake shouldn’t warrant immediate pulling from a game. If we all got pulled from anything in our lives when we made a mistake I’m pretty sure we we all be unemployed or worse. I love Frank’s attitude that you have to be consistent, but being consistent is based on practicing over and over AND making mistakes.
mjk7166 - January 25, 2012
This is probably my only complaint with Frank
I don’t mind his on-the-court antics and extra high octane emotion. I am not a basketball mind, so I don’t have a lot of the same criticisms about his X’s and O’s that some of you do. I don’t necessarily dislike his affinity for using the bench (playing Victor, etc).
I DO have a problem with yanking a guy for making a mistake. I know he says he doesn’t do it, but we’ve all seen it happen.
I’ve been thinking about this for several games now. It appears to me as if some of our guys are playing very timidly because they are trying to play perfectly so they don’t get pulled. When our guys start playing tight like this is when our game seems to fall apart. Nobody wants to pass for fear of causing a turnover, nobody wants to take a shot unless it is a layup for fear of being pulled for a “bad shot”. So this results in a lot of one guy taking the ball and dribbling around trying to open up a lane so he can drive to the basket for a layup, but what usually happens is that he has to drive through a crowd and puts up a heavily contested shot at the rim that either gets blocked, or clanks off the rim, and then our guys don’t rush to the ball for the rebound because maybe they are afraid of picking up another foul.
You are totally right, if you got pulled after your first mistake (or heck, even after your 10th mistake), most of us would probably be unemployed…I know i would be. Now, if I made the SAME mistake 5 days in a row, after I had been shown the proper way to do something, that is a different story.
And maybe that is what is happening here. We aren’t at the practices, so we don’t know what they go over, but I still think he is so quick to pull guys when something goes wrong that they think about it to the point that it affects their ability to play as well as they could. I know if I thought I was going to get yanked after my first turnover or bad shot, I would definitely be playing a lot tighter because I would be focusing more on not screwing up than I would be on just going out there and playing like I know how to play.
Again, this is coming from someone who has only played basketball in gym class in high school (when I was the smallest and nerdiest guy on the court) on Free Day Friday, so it wasn’t even a structured game. Take it with a grain of salt.
Jeremy Sharp - January 25, 2012
Maybe ADJC should sub in Underwood for Frank when he makes mistakes.
Makes as much sense as Frank’s quote about players.
Collin's Bloody Elbow - January 25, 2012
that's pretty good.
GTcat - January 25, 2012
I like this idea.
Might make him think twice about his strategy.
Especially when he admits to screwing something up regarding the way he prepared for a game or how he has coached a particular guy.
Jeremy Sharp - January 26, 2012
I was thinking more like a cool, calm ADJC
steps in when Frank is irrationally screaming in the face of one of the guys and is like, “Coach Underwood, you got this for awhile.”
Collin's Bloody Elbow - January 27, 2012
#FreeBryceBrown
MeatGeek - January 27, 2012
we only see the mistakes in the game. He has a clear picture with practice et al. of repeat offenders. As long as this is straightened out by Feb (as it kind of was last year
then I dont have a problem with it)
ATL Jim - January 25, 2012
An early jump on the 2013 recruiting class
with a defensive end.
CT-K-Stater - January 25, 2012
nice!
GTcat - January 25, 2012
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