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K-State takes on Texas in Manhattan tonight. Peter has the preview over at Burnt Orange Nation, and it would be fair to say Peter has a pretty damn good read on K-State's personnel this year.

Apparently practice has been much better since the Oklahoma game on Saturday. It sure is good to hear that we haven't had players running stairs in the practices leading up to a conference game, because that seemed to work really well as preparation for OU.

K-State needs to get better on defense. The Wildcats rank last in the conference in opponent field-goal percentage during conference play.

SB Nation's Bracketology has K-State on the six line this week.

K-State Football

Chris Cosh's move to USF still isn't officially official, but it's about as close as it gets. Haskin muses on that subject, among others.

K-State Women's Basketball

Oklahoma handed K-State its first conference loss last night in Bramlage.

Big 12 Basketball

Oklahoma kept Texas Tech winless in conference play with a 64-55 victory last night.

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Dear Frank

If you are still having to punish college kids by conference play, you need to reexamine your approach to coaching during the noncon.

Exactly.

Martin definitely knows how to coach kids up.

But I think he needs to realize that at a certain point you have to let kids play through their mistakes too. Nobody can be perfect 100% of the time. Nobody. Michael Jordan wasn’t perfect 100% of the time.

So, after the non-con games that he likes to play, I think he needs to take a bit of a different approach in conference games, otherwise I don’t think he will ever win a Big 12 regular season title.

Although, by the way he seems willing to sacrifice conference wins to make a point, I’m not so sure he values conference titles so much.

Again, I bring up my point about maturity

Martin is still immature in some of his coaching aspects—as it compares to other coaches in his level and quality.

I agree, HOWEVER,

if Angel was doing something detrimental to the team (ie not practicing hard, poor attitude, etc) then I have no problem with the benching. I have to assume this was the case.

The short and long term success of this team will be better with Angel fully on board.

I have no problem with the benching...

But tired legs makes for low shooting percentage and defensive struggles. Both of which we experienced against OU.

Agreed

even Greenawalt’s famous conditioning cannot overcome pure and simple tiredness.

I was talking more about his pulling of players in the Baylor game.

But, yeah, we don’t know why Angel was pulled for OU, so I have to give Frank the benefit of the doubt on that one.

Heck, it could have been for grades, and I can’t argue with that at all.

Frank specifically said in his postgame show

that Angel didn’t play because of how he practiced

I remember him saying that it wouldn't be fair to Angel or the team if he said why Angel was benched.

Then talked about how if you aren’t buying into the program that can get you benched.

I don’t remember him giving a specific reason for his benching, but regardless, my point remains that I give Frank the benefit of the doubt on that one.

No grades yet! Classes started yesterday.
Semantics!

/notreally

Billy Cosh to Butler CC
Link/Source?

Gonna do the pass-through transfer, presumably so he can go to USF next year…

Wichita Eagle in state college blog
Ah

though I think we decided a couple weeks ago that it was now OK to link to Kellis’s blog (and use his name). His coverage has gotten better and less biased, and he has gotten more scoops than before.

I finally found it

and it wasnt where I thought it was…had to reread your post Anon

for everyone else, here is the link

Great write up

from BON.

I agree. I think he did very well.
From the mothership

Spencer Hall gives us the 2012 College Football Do’s and Don’ts
I particularly like the first “Don’t”…

The last "Don't" is also funny
Bill Snyder sighs, and gets no credit for doing this [playing defensive, ball-control oriented offense] for years, but old men are used to seeing their style jacked and presented as “new.”
No wonder we never saw Nino last year

http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/011812aab.html – that’s terrifying. Never mind basketball, I pray that he doesn’t suffer ill effects from the concussions later in life.

I like Nino

Hopefully he is able to enjoy a healthy basketball career with the Cats

Wow
“I’m not sure how much I could have helped in games because I was young, but I could have helped them in practice,” said Williams.

I’m pretty sure he just became my favorite player.

He is kinda dumb though

and I dont really like him as a person based on the interacts I’ve had with him. Shane is the same way, but more of a dick than Nino

Don't tell us this!

Nino and Shane aren’t great guys? You lie!!!!

Interesting note re: Shane -

Frank said in his weekly radio show that Shane came back into the huddle after his untimely threes against OU and said he was shaking his head and asking himself why he took those shots.

Part of the learning process.

Well, at least these guys are learning something

other than how many steps there are in the OOD

I think our favorite espn k-state basher may have just bought himself a coule weeks (sorry not an auto link)

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=big12&id=44138

I was going to link it but then decided to wait.

For those of us on a computer, here is a link to the full page

I agree with him

It does make sense, and I hope he comes to Manhattan. I’m not sold on him being the next head coach, but I wouldn’t object right now.

I agree with you Sean

I think it would be an improvement for our defense compared to what we have had for quite some time.

Venables name always seems to be at the top of a lot of short lists for openings every season, but he has stayed put in OU. I’m trying to figure out if this is because he really thought he would eventually have an opportunity to be the head coach at OU, or if maybe he would RATHER be a D-coordinator than a head coach (and I’m guessing he is making a pretty decent salary there in Norman, and has a lot fewer headaches to deal with than Bobby does).

Or is Venables one of those guys who is not really head coach material? I honestly don’t know, but we have seen several (successful) coordinators go on to become head coaches and have pretty much flopped. They just don’t have the right make up to be a head coach, and are better suited to be a coordinator.

The search for a new DC seems like a great chance for an Ahearn Alley post...

just saying…

So there is this thought on our current "situation"...

via Dave Sittler

His other recent thoughts

About Venables, and the K-State coaching situation

And Ryan Wallace

gives his take on Venables

I will say this...if there are two people whose opinions I value less than Dave Sittler or Ryan Wallace...

I’ve yet to find them.

Sorry, Wallace (if you stumble across this site), but you’re not a very good writer. Cassidy keeps your site afloat. He should be on to bigger and better things by now.

And Sittler is a dick who is horribly unfunny and lacks insight. He's like a shittier Bob Lutz.
I posted those because they were the only ones talking

and I wanted to see what people round here thought.
I guess more informed people are keeping quiet

I'm not dogging you. I just really don't like Sittler.
Oh you're fine

I got that. I just didn’t want you to think I was wholly believing what was coming out from those guys. They were just the only ones talking about it at the time

Don't get me started on Lutz....that he exists at this point is an affront to society.
You're just jealous he's from Derby. :)
Cassidy ...

he’s made leaps and bounds of improvement since debuting a few years ago. When he first appeared on gpc, he was a complete trainwreck of a writer. I thought he was hopeless. Pretty good stuff, now.

I do very much enjoy Rob Cassidy

D. Scott does a good job too.

I like Fitz in some ways, but he’s an odd duck…

Some of the writing on that site was OK, and it was improving when I left

I just couldn’t stand the tone of the discussion there – no civility or intellegence at all. It always felt like 3rd graders yelling “I know you are but what am I” and other silliness (eyes closed, fingers in ears yelling LA LA LA LA LA LA LA NOT LISTENING TO YOU LA LA LA LA LA LA

Man that makes it sound

like Venables really must have been porking somebody’s wife huh?

I did something I never do

I read some of the comments under Ubben’s piece on this, and there’s a guy there who alleges he was porking a student.

Not sure why that would be an immediate cause for anything to be upset about.

KSU has no limitations towards relationships among staff/faculty/student body. The problem comes in when that relationship has some kind of leverage for one of the parties.

Him sleeping with a student (if that’s what happened) isn’t necessarily a reason for hard feelings to develop.

Yeah, if I was a 30 year old assistant coach

You can bet your ass I’d be tagging every hot coed that I could, if I wasn’t married that is.

Ya and he was at most like 28 when it would have happened
"In the know" huh?

Guess he better be speaking up on why, otherwise 98% of the fan base will view it as a failure if he don’t come back.

Who is Dave Sittler and why should I care?
Sports columnist for the Tulsa World
kind of along the lines of what I mentioned above

Leavitt has actually shown that he IS head coach material. He took a brand new program and made a competitor out of them.

I would not be unhappy with a Leavitt hire either.

We need a counter of some sort to keep track of how long we've been waiting for an official announcement.
Get on it intern!
Why don't you take eko-cat to dinner?
Because my wife would get jealous.

Unless she’s into that sort of thing…

Never know till you ask.
And it's just a dinner.
I would like to go on the record that any future refrence to Eko-Cat - via by name or picture - should be justification for an auto-ban.
But then SeanT will have to get a new image
Like this?

Or this?

How about this?

Actually, that last one is pretty sweet.
Except I know the two girls in that pick

and neither would be worth your time…

Okay, so EcoKat it is then
I don't know...the Whooly neck brace pic is actually a classic....

not as good at a certain Nebraska QB looking out of his helmets ear-hole after a no call, but still quite nice.

As for the girls being worth the time, it depends fist on not being hapilly married and second what you do with that time – after all, you only need a little while unless your Ron Jeremy.

FYI - I told the energy guy about your plans for your wife to be Eco-Cat for Halloween.

and he sadly informed me that she has already returned the costume to Jeff Morris.

He (energy guy) actually wanted to keep the costume, but when he asked her about it she had just given it to Jeff the day before. :(

So are they stupid?

Because that really isn’t a problem at all, nor if their the b-word types. If they would be willing to give me some of their time, I would be totally fine with that.

Wow

That doesn’t sound at all desperate.

Your point being?

They’re hot, and I’m one ugly sob.

But but

Your mother thinks you’re beautiful on the inside.

My mother thinks I'm beautiful on the outside too!
I think you should probably stop there, Jeremy
As long as TB doesn't have a problem with it ... I don't care what you use for an image.
Grading how tough the road is in conference

for Basketball based on gambling numbers. The numbers are good for us too, best in conference “Against the Spread”

very, very interesting.
I'm meeting my girlfriend for dinner at Little Apple Brewery tonight.

Didn’t think about the game when making plans, d’oh! But still, Little Apple Brewery. You jelly?

Nope, eat there about once a month or so

/you mad bro?

Very nice use of "bro," bro.
You jelly?

What does that mean?

short(ish) for jealous
Internet slang for "are you jealous?"
I've heard it in actual conversation

so its not just an “internet” thing…

Weird. Some things just need to stay online.
Agreed... like LOL
Are you telling me that you don't like to say...

“LAUGHING OUT LOUD!” in everyday conversation? I don’t wanna live in a world where you can’t myself.

Optimus Klein says it.

Autobots don’t laugh.

LOL, Larry, LOL.
BMS?
What is this BMS you speak of?
Blue Mountain State

An amazingly badass, raunchy show on Spike about College Football.

You mean about Boise State? lol
Nah, Curb Your Enthusiasm.

From the amazing “Social Assassin” episode.

Ew.

That place hasn’t been good for 7 years.

It may not be as good as what you felt it was before 7 years ago...

But it certainly isn’t an “Ew.” place to eat.

And their beer is delicious. that is where I first had a Blakc-and-Tan, and where I cultivated my love for the stout (Thanks to $2 pint Mondays for MNF!).

Their beer is meh.

Not as bad as Fourloco, but it isn’t very good either.

Their food is about the same. They used to be THE place to go for a steak. No longer.

Hibachi Hut never disapoints...at least in my experience.
Hit or miss lately.

depends on who’s in the kitchen.

and what you order.

I’ve never had a bad meal in there myself.

Sorry to hear that...

Next you’ll tell me that nobody has summer beers at Rock A Belly anymore and that their sandwiches now suck…although passing of RoTel as their own queso was a bit cheap.

I'm a toasted sandwich fan

So I’d rather have Planet Sub, plus I know I’ll be shot for this, but if you won’t toast my sandwich I’ll have a Billy Club from Jimmie John’s.

What’s a summer beer? If it involves lemonade I’ve had them, but not there.

Manhattan needs a Firehouse Subs.

Who wants to front me the cash to open a franchise?

How much?

Do the leg work, come talk to me.

If we're opening a chain, let's go with Which 'Wich
Not sure if I've had one of those.

Ever had Potbelly’s? I haven’t but a friend of mine really likes them.

Potbelly's is good.

But Which ’Wich is the best. My wife and I were in southwestern Missouri and on the way back to KC we made it a point to stop at the Which ’Wich in Springfield.

They’re mostly only in Texas now, but the guy in Springfield said they’re looking to branch out.

no thanks, give me Sub 'n Stuff instead

resurrect that philly cheese steak from the dead!

I want a Whataburger in Manhattan

Damn’t, I want it so bad.

I'm really enjoying the hell outta Freddy's.
Also a true delight.
So you want to kill off Vista?
Vista is doing quite well I notice

Everytime I go there or go past there it seems fairly busy. A Whataburger wouldn’t kill off Vista.

That's it - lemonaide, vodka and beer. WONDERFUL, but kind of hard on productivity for a while.
oh summer brew. Simple but awesome

I believe the beer portion has to be Boulevard wheat to make it turn out right as well…

Also another simple treat is Old Style + Pineapple juice at So Long

Pretty sure you can use Bud Light

or any other lighter lager in summer brew. You just can’t use a heavy or extremely flavorful beer or it won’t come out right.

And yes, Pineapple Beer is glorious, but not quite as delicious anymore because they had to switch to Old Milwaukee because they stopped being able to get Old Style at a reasonable price

No no you have to be lying.
You must have some very exacting taste buds.

Their beer is nowhere near the same category as Fourloco.

Is it the best thing since sliced bread? No, but it is a good, solid brew. It is enjoyable.

I’m not saying that it’s a destination beer. but is is good (as in tastes good when you drink it) and is a nice break from the routine.

Thank You

I don’t think there beer is very good if at all.
Its way to hyped up

Best thing about their beer (last time I had it anyway)

was the Growler.

I had a burger there after a game a couple of years ago. It wasn't bad. Was really good back when I was in school.

(cough) ten years ago (or more) (cough)

If you're coughing, Pan

than I’m outright choking – ’cause I was entering my senior year at K-State when the place first opened.

Dennis Dodd mini-series

He looks at what the plus 1 would have done over the course of the BCS’s existence. As you might have guessed, a 1998 KSU vs Peyton Manning match-up launches part one of the first 5 years.

Damn Sirr Parker!

/itstoughtohatetheguytho

Wouldn't that have been Tee Martin

and not Peyton Manning quarterbacking the Volunteers in ’98?

Yes.

In the 98-99 BCS championship game, we were all treated to an epic quarterback battle matching Tee Martin with Marcus “The Rooster” Outzen.

i will now light mysefl on fire.

You and me both

self-immolation proceeding.

Until proven otherwise, I think UT stays close to the bottom of the league - I don't know how good Brown is

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1149741.html

1. OU
2. TCU
3. KSU
4. OSU
5. WVU
6. UT
7. ISU
8. Baylor
9. TT
10. KU

It's hard to believe how much homework they've done when

it Mark Stoops not Mike… Wrong brother guys!

Wow...that was terribly written on my part

should say: " when they put Mark Stoops not Mike…"

I like your pics

I think 2-5 could be interchangable.

I think so too, but I don't know what to think about OSU next year, and I reall think WVU is going to be surprised coming and playing big boys

I may be optimistic, but I think TCU (thanks to Patterson’s defensive bent) is going to do better initially in the league than WVU.

I’m really hoping WVU gets a home game for their first Big 12 game, and they get to take on OU. I’d really like to watch that game.

Another story about Venables

from NBC Sports.

I think we can stop worrying about/hoping we get Venables. Of course, we are still all waiting on an official announcement that Cosh is actually leaving!

Im done with Venables, I dont know if it is Snyder or Brent, probably Brent. He seems to have no desire to be affiliated with his alma mater so honestly fuck him.
if it is Snyder, I trust his judgement, I cant believe he would be petty about something from 1998. There must be a bigger issue.
Hold on. It may be the case, but let's hear it from someone not named Dave Sittler first.

The guy is an amazing OU homer, and generally, a piece of shit.

http://deadspin.com/5871845/tulsa-columnist-calls-former-ou-coach-a-slapdick-hired-because-he-was-black-doesnt-realize-hes-being-recorded

Well that puts him in better perspective

like a dumber Jason Whitlock….

Dumber Jason Whitlock

Is that even possible?

No it is not possilbe to have less intellegence than Whitlock.

I assume this site still has to respect the laws of physics…the web master isn’t Chuck Norris or anything to the best of my knowledge.

I'd like that after 13 years, we could probably look at things from a more objective perspective

Though I don’t know exactly what it “IS” we are looking at with BV

One, I'm not giving up on BV as of yet.

Snyder probably won’t pay him enough, so yeah, we probably won’t get him because Clemson is coming after him with a supposedly absurd amount of money.

Two, I think Leavitt is a long, long, longshot. I’d love for him to come back and be the DC, but I’m lukewarm on him as a HCIW due to his age.

Three, if we just promote Tom Hayes and Joe Bob, and then, like, promote Joe Gordon or something, I’ll go bat shit.

Agreed to point 3

Except that I don’t think Joe Bob would be bad as the DC and is still young and “fiery.” that said, I would still much prefer to go outside of the current staff for some fresher blood

I heard a rumor that a Kstate jet was in south florida...........

apparently they want to talk to Martin Gramatica about the D Cord job

Thats just wrong...
/hurtshimselfcelebratingthejoboffer
I think they actually asked him to step in as Special Teams Coach when Sean gets promoted...

/ducks
/sarcasm

I agree on all three points, Pan

And Clemson has the absurd kind of cash to entice him out there. IPTAY all the way in Tigers country.

Ditto on Leavitt. Love him as D-coordinator, not high on him as HCIW.

If BV and JL ain’t happening then an outside hire needs to be made. Someone young, up-and-coming, fiery, a sound tactician and hustler on the recruiting trail. But something tells me Snyder would prefer to keep it in-house. Moe Latimore it is.

lollers at Ankle Rehab

GREENAWALT HELPS EXPEDITE HEALING PROCESS FOR CATS’ JONES

Kansas State junior transfer Jeremy Jones practiced Tuesday after missing Monday’s practice to rest his sprained right ankle. The injury, which occurred late in the first half of Saturday’s game against Oklahoma, forced Jones to spend most of the second half on the bench. "(Monday) he was hobbled," K-State coach Frank Martin said. "We put him on the side and said, ‘If you can’t go, then you don’t need to waste your time.’ We put him with (strength coach) Scott Greenawalt on the sideline, and suddenly that ankle felt a heck of a lot better."

Nice, thanks for posting.

I played through ankle pain all high school. I never thought it was a big deal, just push through it.

I don't like the implication that Jones was acting, but at least Greenawalt seems to have taken care of that
Maybe Greenawalt just got it back into place, or wrapped it good or something
Or

He just stared at it with his piercing gaze and it put itself back into place

I heard he had a flex off.

Left side v right, ankle threw in the towel.

If it was a serious injury then I'd have a problem with this.

But most likely the team doctor released him to practice if there was no pain

I think it was in Hawaii sometime

an announcer during one of the TV broadcasts remarked that Greenawalt would have to be either 1) a strength and conditioning coach or 2) a member of the Russian mob with his looks.

I think you're right

I laughed. But then, Martin looks like he could be an Italian mafia boss himself.

Not a bad cover for a Cuban.

Though the mob used to spend a LOT of time in Havana pre-Castro. I’m going to have to request a DNA test. I would not be shocked if Frank’s grandfather was Sicilian.

i remember that was gottleib

because he kept dropping that he played professionally in russia, as if that would impress someone. but dammit if he didn’t mention it several times.

also, are we getting a pregame write-up for the game tonight?

Outside of Venables and Levaitt is there really any canidates for DC that arent within tye program already
Willie Martinez
If you watched ou against baylor or ok state theb you know this would be a huge step back
oh I agree, that is my way of saying "not much"
What about Crash Ekeler?

does he have the street cred to be a coordinator? I don’t know the answer to that.

I dont know, were the Indiana lbs any good this year....it is a stretch, if we were gonna go that route I would presume it is

Joe Bob or JG as Pan said above

Eks has only completed his first year as D-coordinator at IU

having made the move out there I’m assuming he isn’t ready to jump ship just yet. But man would I love to see my boy back at K-State.

Leavitt?

I just have my doubts he comes back to college ball. He made good money on the buyout at USF; he’s coaching in the NFL and probably making darn good money there.

Only way I could see him coming to KSU is with the understanding it was about a 7 year gig with the goal of further grooming Sean to be a head coach some day. Not saying I’m right.

also, not that this would ever happen, but Randy Shannon
What about the Zookster
Ummmm

he wasnt that bad as a D Coord
Heard he's being looked at by the Jaguars for that exact post
His NFL numbers weren't that bad
Boom.

Even more semi-official Coshness

That actually looks very official

Especially with Skip Holtz actually saying it is happening

well yea, I thought the same too...

So far that appears to be the only story out there…sleep well tonight cat fans!

I cant sleep well until I know who our DC is gonna be

Honestly as K-State fans we need to cheer hard for the giants this weekend if thwe 49ers lose and we pick up levaitt in time we can still get some good recruits on the trail but if we have to wait until febuary we may be in trouble.

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