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BIG 12 TOURNAMENT OUTLOOK: 03.13.10 (Open Game Thread)

After a long and historic season, it all comes down to this: 40 minutes of basketball separating K-State from its first Big 12 men's basketball championship ever.

I'm so damn tired of losing to these guys. I sat through their victory in the final game two seasons ago, and that was insufferable enough. Words cannot describe how horrific it will feel to hear that bloody chant echoing off the Sprint Center rafters if we drop a sixth straight game to the University of Kansas.

So let's win instead. Losing is easy, and it won't cost us a thing. But winning takes guts, and those have been on display aplenty this week. Winning means something — it sends a message and it sets a tone for next year.

And most important, winning temporarily will silence one of the most vocal fan bases in all of March Madness. How sweet would that be?

Sagarin's prediction: No. 1 Kansas 86, No. 2 Kansas State 80 (5 p.m., ESPN)

Aw, go to hell, Sagarin.

Star-divide

Yesterday's Results

  • No. 1 Kansas 79, No. 4 Texas A&M 66
  • No. 2 Kansas State 82, No. 3 Baylor 75

Unfortunately, Sagarin has his thumb firmly on the pulse of this particular Big 12 Tournament. After upset-minded Session 1 came to an end, it's been all chalk since then.

For the sake of the Wildcats, let's hope that pattern doesn't continue today.

Poll
Who will claim the automatic bid as the Big 12 Tournament Champion?
Kansas Jayhawks
25 votes
Kansas State Wildcats
29 votes

54 votes | Poll has closed

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Comments

Let me kick off this thread in the most appropriate manner possible

In honor of our recently vanquished Baylor friends:

IT’S PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME, MOTHERF**KAS!!!

Bracket...

just to be clear…this is for the Big 12 tournament championship…the Big 12 does distinguish in basketball as do most conferences.

Um, do you really think I don't know that?

Congrats on the regular season title, but if we win tonight, they’re going to call us the Big 12 Champion on the Selection Show tomorrow.

Don’t diminish that accomplishment.

Glad to know you are aware and I'm not diminishing it...

I was just putting it in the proper perspective since you didn’t appear to do so with your statement. And yes, it would be a very nice accomplishment for K-State to win.

Cats gotta stay focused the entire game

It seems there is a point in every game where the Cats going into a lull. Have to maintain focus and intensity throughout the ENTIRE game.

I would just like to point out at this time

That the Cats have beat every single Big 12 team at least once this season, save for one.

Time to check off the last box on the last.

Just saw

a facebook status, yanno, the standard “rock chalk jayhawk” in all caps with about a bajillion exclamation marks after it. Only they spelled it ChaWk, with a W. How stupid.

I hope to not see any of those on facebook after about 7 pm tonight.
Unholly Alliance Status Check

All systems GO.
Best of luck Tonight Cats!

Thanks

I can’t imagine MU not making it. Good luck to you guys in the tourney.

Purdue

Anyone watching that game?!

Can they

get double digits by halftime? 20 seconds left with 9 points

Purdue sure looks like a #1 seed !?!

Down 32-8 to Minnesota with 2:12 left in first half!

Well I think

Purdue is out of the discussion for a one seed haha

I'm curious...

what are you guys hearing in terms of a #1 if you win tonight? It seems if Duke and WVU win their tournaments the media is more than ready to grant either one the #1 before KSU, but I’d sure think you guys have a pretty good argument.

Screw the media

that’s all i’m hearing too. Duke beat Miami, pretty tough win. The Big East tournament fell apart, and Ohio State would have lost their last two games if 1. Beilein wasn’t an idiot and 2. If Illinois could play D in the last possession.

Should probably resign ourselves to accepting a 2, so we’re not pissed tomorrow night.

I guess I can see Duke's argument...

close win aside, it was a win. As far as West Virginia or Ohio State…I’m not buying it.

I'm fine

with Duke, they’ve got a fairly good resume, and I know we’ve been competing with them for that 1 seed the last couple weeks, and we just lost to Iowa State. If WVU or Ohio State get it, it’ll be pretty crappy.

completely agree
I honestly think

The Big 10 is garbage. Aka. Purdue. I understand that we will be a two seed, but a Big 10 team better not get a one seed either.

The Big 10 tournament...

is hands down the one that I watch and can’t get excited about…it’s just horrible.

Looks like crappy ACC game is going to run over the game...
may luck out guess our tip isn't til 6:15

can only hope ACC doesn’t go into OT

better for me!

The later this tip the closer I get to home and my TV!

:-/

That's right, good ESPN. Screw the ACC Game!
Amen

This is bullshit. Two teams that won’t do a damned thing in the tourney, on top of two top-10 squads. WTF?

ACC game looking more like a football game
Come out strong K-State!
Knight is right, fatique could be a factor.
Where are you hearing Knight?
Probably ESPN360
Here in Wichita, they switched over about 5:10.
Still waiting for ESPN to start their broadcast.
Wow, that's crazy. Where are you located?
North Carolina...and now damn commercials...are they serious?
ESPN needs to pull their head out of their a**
Get this...it is on but not on the HD channel...TWC you suck.
Ok...so almost 7 minutes in I can get the HD version.
'Cats are 0-8. Terrible
Had to pull up Wyatt Vision until the ACC is done
It is about damned time
Worst start imaginable

Poor defense, questionable rebounding, Jake’s cold as ice, Denis hurt his hand.

3 fouls on us, none on them. John Higgins and Mark Whitehead are the refs.

Lookin’ ugly…

Yup

Dammit. But still, even with that, only down by a little

not goaltending on Denis' shot?
It was close...
not if you are KU
I thought it looked like it too.
What??? a foul on KU????
Good work for McGruber
Freaking Morningstar...
This is looking better than the last time we met.
great pass!
yea baby...downhill from here
Aldrich another no call foul.
lucky bounce...
I will never understand why the refs can't see Aldrich foul
He's so white he's invisible
They see it

but just don’t care.

His early block...not so much...replay clearly shows hand then ball...in face he jammed Wally's hand into the backboard.
Fuck you refs
Well we survived that early slump

The perimeter D is looking good. We need to watch the hi-low though..

Irving didn't look totally comfy on this 3, but it's good he pulled the trigger.

Good to let the Frosh guards get some PT

ice cold start for us...lucky bounces for them and we are tied
Damned right

Team has a whole lot of fight

We are going miss Denis next season

He brings such a spark to the offense

But we also lose Colon.

And all of our other players gain a year of experience.

Holly Rowe rockin the Purple!
Sherron boo hoo
Awww... Sherron whining like a little bitch
oh boohoo Collins is whining
How the fuck do the refs not call KU?

Holy shit

JamSam needs to pass that out.
That was not...not a held ball.
end of game fouls...KSU 30 KU 1
and more whining from Collins.
I think Sheron offered the ref some elevator action after the game
These refs blow
Sheron looks in pain, too bad
Colon is coming in . . .

This does not please me.

FINALLY! A foul on KU
oops my whistle accidently blew there...
Foul on Thing2
I thought Marcus was thing 1...?
Sorry, I just went by 21 vs 22!
Ha ha ha

That makes as much sense as what I’ve thought. Marcus is alphabetically before Marquieff, so I figured he was 1. Not that either of them can spell.

I think we need a ruling from PJ and BC on the official rule
21 is Thing 1

22 is Thing 2

Easier to remember that way.

Rebounding position is poor today.

That’s why we’re not getting any fouls on them.

very true, not boxing out very well
the fact that KU bitches about calls is just hilarious
We're getting in passing lanes

Now if only we can get some steals.

Nice hack on Morningstar and no call.
this is pitiful what they get away with hacking
Foul on Colon

Who’s not surprised?

3 on KU, 7 on KSU

Who’s not surprised?

Take the damn ball to the rim...
Get up and jam the ball in Aldrich's face.
we haven't shot a free throw
Sutton looks really determined
I'm impressed after what he did last night
I want these refs to have a car accident on the way home tonight
Who was that foul on?
Held ball was the call...right.
wink wink nudge nudge...say no more.
So apparently, Aldrich attatcking Samuels didn't happen?
nope
never happened and that's another foul for your team for even mentioning it....
Well apparently Sir Aldrich did get a foul.
Aldrich with 3 fouls in one possession and no call there on the floor.
poor Aldrich...no butt sex with Samuels for you
Little pussy Aldrich flailing around

KU Fans outraged at the audacity to call one on Aldrich, shut up about it.

2 on Alrdrich...oopsie.
I hope Aldrich gets hit by the car with the refs in it
Maybe Morningstar will be driving?
No way?! Another foul on Aldrich?!

Is the sky falling?

They had to call that charge, thank God.
I like it when Kelly makes those
CK has a nice touch, what a weapon he's turning into
we can't buy a foul under the basket. I wonder if it would be a record to not shoot a

free throw in a game

These refs are criminal
Get OUT OF HERE with that weak tot action...
DANG IT COLON!
Did Ojele feel the breeze as Collins sped by? Wow.
That was a nice screen
No Brent, the more I see Collins, the more I want to throw up.
This is close

I don’t think it’s good. :(

For once I wish Knight was right
Is it possible to actually talk about both teams Musberger? Quit slobbering all over KU.
The bias is almost as clear as how the refs are calling this game.
how can every bounce and close call go to KU...

I think Self sold his soul to the Devil

Are you kidding?

He WORKS for the Devil — Lewcifer Perkins.

That girl with the prom sign better watch out...

…. that’s practically consent.

Ok come out this half and give Mr. Aldrich his 3rd quickly.
K-State had 0 FT opportunities...0? Unbelievable.
shooting 31% and NO FREE THROWS and only down 4

Like all of our losses this year…we have to make shots to win as Bobby Knight points out lol

Well look we go to the line more than any other team in America...so for us to have 0 is just a travesty.
We're lucky

With giving us easy baskets to KU and not creating quality shots for anyone on offense. Can someone other than Jake and Denis please step up?

Maybe McGruder's turn?
Kelly's looked good from 12-15ft. We're getting nothing underneath
Free throws?

We get to shoot those too?

Now if only we were allowed to make them . . .
Terrible, won't win many tournament games shooting FTs
+1!
Too early to tell...I mean its the first 2 of the game.
Aldrich #3?
Nope of course not...Henry,
I don't think he would foul

Out if they gave him 4 to start the game. It just wouldn’t be allowed to happen. >.<

with our lack of energy right now I'm not sure it would matter
When are we going to learn...dunk it over Aldrich...not cutesy finesse off the glass ole crap.
apparently, it hasn't clicked yet
Aldrich number 3.
BFT
Aldrich?

Aldrich!

Why can't the ball f**king drop
Again no dunk...another attempted bank lay-in.
Just reverse jam the damn thing.
Thing 1 or 2 with the foul.
omg Self must be retarded
OMG, is self blind.
I'd call it

A self-interested point of view. :-P

Take the ball strong to the rim.
THAT WAS A HACK

Go home Bob Knight and whoever the hell the other guy is

Musberger...he's the best just ask him.
Knight agreed upon viewing

The replay…

Aldrich on the bench and we're passing and dribbling around 25 ft from the basket. WHY?
Put the ball into CK and dunk it.
Get the Morris twins in trouble as well.
Xavier Henry with 2 fouls.
Please God make a free throw
Make an effing free throw!
damn it! Get the rebound!
Aldrich sucking on his blankie
Sutton just pull up and take that.
Wally Judge

does he only show up against KU?

Turn your off hip to the D and jam the damn ball.
Guess we don't coach dunking.
no joke, how many dunks should be have?!
JAMAR SAMUELS

I like those 3s

we are going to do this
We need to work on the Morris twins now with Aldrich sitting.
go straight at the goon
McGruber got pwned by Reid on the drive.
FFS there it goes...just like that. We stand and they rotate....ball game.
whoa!

Too early! This team has some fight left in it… I believe!

That was pretty
The same damn play AGAIN!

Guys need to rotate!

That was the same damn play on the baseline again...wake up K-State.
They catch the ball on the side, take one step and have 5ft of open space

Unbelievable.

the refs just won't let it get closer..
I hate to sound negative, but this looks like the game in lawrence

We got within a few points, but could never seize control and gain the lead

Yes, we're barely hanging on right now.
KU is making FTs....
We aren't getting good shots

whereas KU keeps getting open looks right by the basket. This is a problem.

Are you kidding me?!? Morningstar with the drive?
We play our worst ball against them...damn it
Hey K-State let's not guard Reed....

geezz

CK why are you shooting 3's?
I don't know if I can watch this anymore...
all too familar..
And now Colon is replacing CK

:(

our problem is we can't play two good games in a row
we need to figure out

How to win 6 in a row REAL SOON! .

wow that is pitiful...obvious cheating
Aldrich over the back and no call...good grief.
Martin needed to be out there...Knight has no business lecturing anyone on anger issues.
They won't call it, I swear these games are determined before they are played
God I hate KU

This is bullshit

Aldrich dipped his shoulder right into Jamar's chest

Knocked him out of bounds

Why is our defense so good against everyone else except KU?

Are they that much more talented? better coached?

They have better refs than we do.
the upside is that when KU plays in tourney and doesn't have big 12 refs, they struggle
That was a terrible foul.
You have got to be kidding me!
when the free throw diff is that huge, it is obviously wrong
Gave it all back.....
what is a "free throw?"
something KU is entitled to
Fucking Goons,
I guess since they nearly too his head off they had no choice
Can't trade points...
Can't stop getting points either.
God hates K-State fans
Seriously.
Yea that was over the top, sometimes I wonder though...
Who is KU most likely losing next year?

We are only losing Meriwhether and Clemente right?

Colon
well that'll be a major loss...
What a stupid sign, "Beware the Phog'.
I CANNOT BELIEVE WE ARE LOSING to these assholes.

AGAINB

sorry

I’m afraid my drunken rage persona, St Anger, has started to take over.

We need to get some steals/rebounds.
I can be proud to say we have class...they obviously don't and the nation is watching
JamSam is hitting huge 3's right now.
We need to get a score here

we need to make a run soon.

The run needs to start now. Gotta get stops
Kelly now looks lost on O. Thank God for JamSam, I like his shot

Still wish we could drive and get fouls, but then our FT shooting is so poor it wouldn’t matter.

I am completely unamused by the lack of drive to the rim by our big men...they look scared.
I was wondering if I was the only one who saw that.
Aldrich with 4.
Aldrich with 4.
what a miracle??? Saint Aldrich fouled?
We cannot lose track of Collins.
deja vu

Posts there…

Have we had an and one at all?
Gotta cut this more

6 is still too many

Needed points there.
We really needed that...
And now we are in big trouble.
That's game..

I hope were still a 2 seed

We will be...I have no doubt
If they get sent to Buffalo, I'll be there for 2nd round...
FFS same bat time different bat channel.
I feel sick
ahhhh...when they choke in the tourney it will feel better
Now Jake with the miss? WTF?
Aldrich fouls out

but it’s too late to matter.

the first time ever OMG
Well, his first with five personal fouls

He fouled out earlier this year, but the fifth was a technical.

Technicalities, I know.

As soon as Aldrich got his 4th,

I bet my fiance’s sister (KU student) $20 that the refs wouldn’t let Alrdrich foul out of the game. And what do you know. God damn ogre. Thanks a lot. I should’ve known better. Just my luck.

bye aldrich
St. Aldrich go sit the f^ck down.
And it's pretty much over.
Seriously Brent?

all the respect they have for us?

Insert stupid comment here.
Now the rock chalk history lesson?
That is just stupid...that is why they sing that. Almost as bad as what is a Mizzou?
We hadn't had a good game agaisnt KU this season.
Disagree we should have won in Manhattan.
During regulation we had them and let them get away.
fair enough, my memory failed me. It's still hard to stomach
Sherron sounds like he's from the south, not Chicago
Did he just hug Holly?
She better stay out of the elevators...
Sloopy

…all the way around.

KU, look out for Bucknell or Bradley next week...
Orange is KU killer this year
If we play them again this year... orange shoelaces all around
Sloopy? That's Ohio State talk. Another team playing over their heads, although

Turner is a major stud.

As a Michigan student, that buzzer-beater hurt.

Don’t worry, I grew up in Manhattan and the wildcats are my #2 team ;).

The difference was at the line...we had 14 attempts they had 31.
hard to argue that
Be glad you guys werent at PnL.

New levels of douchery were obtained.

Bitter? You're damned right I'm bitter.

31 FTs vs 14. That is criminal. God damned refs. That KSU only lost by 8 with that kind of bullshit speaks volumes to how good the team played, but I’ll be angry about this for a while.

I am upset too, but,

I just finished a quick buzz back through my game-recording and the referees were ‘decent’ (keeping in mind, they were Big 12 refs >.< ). Honestly, it was just WHERE the fouls occurred that created that discrepancy… we were being fouled on rebounds and driving at the start of the drive, KU was getting foul calls at the hoop and during shots (3’s even). Now, whether that fact is agree-able to us ’Cat fans or not is up for debate.

Hey, guys

I know you’re still pissed about the game, but thought I’d just give y’all a heads-up that Arkansas-Pine Bluff is about 7 minutes away from claiming an NCAA berth on ESPNU, if you care to watch.

The Golden Lions’ 12-point lead is by far the largest of the game.

Who would have thought that of all our non-con opponents, the only ones to dance would be Xavier, UNLV and UAPB?

AND!

If the history for the SWAC continues (it should, 2nd worst conference RPI with 2nd place team to the Dance), then they will have a play-in game to likely try to advance to play SURPRISE the #1 overall seed… my my, who might that be??

I don't think the play-in game winner will play KU in Round 1

KU will be in Oklahoma City. I’m going by memory here but I think that is a Thurs/Sat sub-regional. To be fair to the play-in game winner on Tuesday, they send the winner of that game to a Fri/Sun sub-regional location.

D'oh :-(

that rains a bit on my parade about mostly nothing, KU Lew.

:-D Ok, so maybe UAPB going from 0-11 to in the Tourney earns them a not-bottom-two-getting-in 16 seed in the OKC region? Heh heh.

OT - anybody know how I got BOTC

the BOTC site stuck on the text version??

Dunno

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