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BIG 12 OUTLOOK: 02.02.09


Big Twelve Conference Standings

(updated 2.1.2009 at 3:16 AM CST)

Conf Overall
W L W L
Oklahoma Sooners 7 0 21 1
Kansas Jayhawks 6 0 17 4
Missouri Tigers 5 2 18 4
Texas Longhorns 4 2 15 5
Texas A&M Aggies 3 4 17 5
Baylor Bears 3 4 15 6
Kansas St. Wildcats 3 4 14 7
Nebraska Cornhuskers 3 4 13 7
Oklahoma St. Cowboys 2 4 13 7
Iowa St. Cyclones 1 5 12 9
Texas Tech Red Raiders 1 5 11 10
Colorado Buffaloes 1 5 9 11


Who? Dem Cats Do!

Kansas State, welcome to the muddied middle and the epic battle for 5th place in the Big 12. Only four teams have lost fewer than four games in league play, and they appear to have a leg up on the others for 1st round byes. Everything else is up for debate.

At any rate, hang on to your hats, Cat fans. According to Big 12 Outlook, we're about to go on one hell of a ride, and there just might be the possibility of a four-letter tournament at the end of it if things play out right...

Star-divide

Seed* Record* RPI Pomeroy Sagarin Best Win** Worst Loss** Coach
Oklahoma 1 16-0 3 12 5 Purdue Arkansas Jeff Capel
Kansas 2 12-4 23 19 22 Washington UMass Bill Self
Texas 3 11-5 26 26 24 UCLA Arkansas Rick Barnes
Missouri 4 11-5 30 13 20 USC Nebraska Mike Anderson
Kansas State 5 10-6 74 37 55 Missouri Oregon Frank Martin
Oklahoma State 6 9-7 27 40 41 Rhode Island Texas A&M Travis Ford
Baylor 7 9-7 38 36 31 Arizona State Texas A&M Scott Drew
Nebraska 8 7-9 83 64 74 Missouri UMBC Doc Sadler
Texas A&M 9 6-10 35 75 61 Baylor Tulsa Mark Turgeon
Iowa State 10 3-13 135 120 114 Houston Hawai'i Greg McDermott
Texas Tech 11 1-15 118 126 115 New Mexico Lamar Pat Knight
Colorado 12 1-15 215 165 191 Iowa State SMU Jeff Bzdelik

Note: As any of these numbers change, I will color-code them to indicate direction of change.
Team names that are colored indicate a change in seed.
(green = upward, red = downward)

*Predicted
**According to Pomeroy rating

 

Discussion

Amazing what a win over Texas will do for you, isn't it?

If things hold, and assuming the team continues to improve (and I see no reason to think they won't), we are entering the "easy" part of our schedule. Four of the next five games are at home, and the potential exists to put together a long winning streak if we can get by Texas A&M on Saturday.

Current projections have us winning that game and once again beating Kansas at home. In fact, Pomeroy doesn't have us losing again until Missouri and Oklahoma State, for a 7-2 finish. That would put us at 10-6 for the third straight season, award us the No. 5 seed, and put us squarely on the bubble. We would likely play Colorado in the 1st round in this scenario, and then a win on the second day might be enough to put us in for sure.

Based on this information, I now tentatively project that the Big 12 will get at least five teams in the Dance: Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Texas, and Kansas State. Baylor and Oklahoma State might be duking it out for a potential 6th spot. I know this all sounds premature when we still have a losing record in conference play, but look at how our schedule sets up. We will likely win anywhere from 8-10 of our last 12 games. By NCAA committee standards, that's red smokin' hot, kids.

It might be enough to overcome the crappy non-conference resume. It will certainly result in a big RPI boost; Saturday's win already accounted for a nearly 20-point jump. The Texas win was the missing piece in the scenario, and it was the piece I needed to see before I started to call us a bubble team. Barring an upset, I now think it is a realistic possibility we need to be thinking about.

Meanwhile, Baylor and Oklahoma State are a perfect example of why RPI isn't the only thing the committee looks at. Both have high RPIs, mainly remnants of their non-conference schedule, but the eyeball test clearly tells you that both teams are falling apart right now, as Baylor rides a 3-game losing streak since beating us and Oklahoma State has lost four of their last five. Nonetheless, they maintained their position in the projections. We just jumped them. That's how important the Texas win was.

Oklahoma is now projected to run the table. Frankly, I'm not sure that's as ludicrous as it once seemed. They appear to be running away from the pack. Kansas won't beat them in Norman. I'm not sure Texas is good enough to ever beat them. The last real hurdle is Columbia but OU may be unstoppable by then. We'll see.

The top four and the bottom four stayed roughly the same, with only some minor fluctuations in projected records. The main action, as usual, is in the middle, where the current 4-way tie looks to break in our favor. Note that Kansas State jumps Baylor and Oklahoma State here despite losing to both of them. That's what playing in the North can do for you.

Based on Saturday's results, Pomeroy now projects us to beat Kansas. There were no other changes in the Pomeroy projections.

There were no changes in the Sagarin projections.

 

Self-Evaluation

Big 12 Outlook went 4-2 on Saturday, and I'll trade my accuracy for a win over Texas any day of the week. As for Nebraska beating Texas Tech, I did mention that was a distinct possibility due to the toss-up nature of that game. Only the fact that it was in Lubbock even put it in question. Besides, computers can't account for the genetic insanity of the Knight family.

As you can see below, I like all the home teams to hold serve this week, except Colorado. Now, while there are no toss-up games this week, I have some caveats:

  • Baylor is on a 3-game losing streak and may be mentally fragile right now, so Kansas beating them in Waco would not be a huge shock. That said, Baylor has a lot of talent and a lot of pride, and Kansas is still a young team that showed some serious vulnerabilities last week despite winning twice. I like the Bears to win this one and deal the Jayhawks their first (and long overdue) conference loss. On their way back to Lawrence, Kansas will probably stop by Dallas so the Big 12 schedule-makers can kiss their feet one more time.
  • While we can never entirely rule out the possibility of a letdown, I think the Wildcats are past that. The expectations are different in the Frank Martin era, and the quick turnaround and home environment should prevent Iowa State from surprising us unduly.
  • Watch out for Colorado. In their last three games they have taken us to overtime (and it now appears that we are better than our record at the time indicated), beaten Iowa State and played Kansas to the wire in Allen Fieldhouse. They're a pretty young team that, while lacking much talent, might finally be turning the corner. When they upset Baylor in the Big 12 Tournament last year, I felt that it would be only a matter of time before Bzdelik made the Buffaloes more competitive in this conference. Now, that doesn't mean upper-division team, of course, but it does mean they won't be laying down for teams anymore.

Key

Obviously, R serves only as a tiebreaker, so it is only listed when there is a split between P and S.

Results are plugged into this wonderful tool to generate the predicted records and seed order.

 

Predicted Outcomes

01.10
61 Tech
73 Baylor
67 I-State
75 Texas
61 Oklahoma
53 K-State
51 Missouri
56 Nebraska
61 A&M
72 O-State
01.12-01.14
63 Texas
78 Oklahoma
71 K-State
87 Kansas
53 Nebraska
65 I-State
62 Colorado
107 Missouri
73 Baylor
84 A&M
01.17
92 O-State
98 Baylor (OT)
73 Kansas
56 Colorado
46 I-State
77 Missouri
51 K-State
73 Nebraska
69 Oklahoma
63 A&M
71 Texas
49 Tech
01.19-01.21
53 A&M
73 Kansas
55 Colorado
63 Tech
83 Baylor
65 K-State
97 Missouri
95 O-State
61 Nebraska
72 Oklahoma
01.24
77 K-State
75 Colorado (OT)
82 Kansas
67 I-State
86 Tech
97 Missouri
76 O-State
74 Nebraska (OT)
76 Baylor
95 Oklahoma
58 A&M
67 Texas
01.26-01.28
89 Oklahoma
81 O-State
78 Texas
72 Baylor
49 I-State
55 Colorado
72 Missouri
88 K-State
68 Kansas
62 Nebraska
70 Tech
79 A&M
01.31
78 Oklahoma
68 I-State
85 K-State
81 Texas (OT)
61 Colorado
66 Kansas
72 Baylor
89 Missouri
82 Nebraska
69 Tech
64 O-State
76 A&M
02.02-02.04
Kansas
@ Baylor (PS)
I-State
@ K-State (PS)
Nebraska (PS)
@ Colorado
Missouri
@ Texas (PS)
Tech
@ O-State (PS)
A&M
@ Oklahoma (PS)
02.07
Colorado
@ Oklahoma (PS)
Missouri (PS)
@ I-State
K-State (PR)
@ A&M (S)
O-State
@ Kansas (PS)
Texas (PS)
@ Nebraska
Baylor (PS)
@ Tech
02.09-02.11
Kansas
@ Missouri (PS)
O-State
@ Texas (PS)
Oklahoma (PS)
@ Baylor
Colorado
@ I-State (PS)
Tech
@ K-State (PS)
02.14
A&M
@ Baylor (PS)
Texas (PS)
@ Colorado
I-State
@ O-State (PS)
Kansas (S)
@ K-State (PR)
Nebraska
@ Missouri (PS)
Tech
@ Oklahoma (PS)
02.16-02.18
Texas (PS)
@ A&M
I-State
@ Kansas (PS)
Colorado
@ Nebraska (PS)
O-State (PS)
@ Tech
02.21
Missouri (PS)
@ Colorado
K-State (PS)
@ I-State
Nebraska
@ Kansas (PS)
Baylor
@ O-State (PS)
A&M (PS)
@ Tech
Oklahoma (RS)
@ Texas (P)
02.23-02.25
Kansas
@ Oklahoma (PS)
Baylor (PS)
@ I-State
A&M
@ Nebraska (PS)
O-State (PS)
@ Colorado
K-State
@ Missouri (PS)
Tech
@ Texas (PS)
02.28-03.01
Colorado
@ Baylor (PS)
I-State
@ A&M (PS)
Nebraska
@ K-State (PS)
Texas
@ O-State (PS)
Oklahoma (PS)
@ Tech
Missouri
@ Kansas (PS)
03.02-03.04
Baylor
@ Texas (PS)
K-State
@ O-State (PS)
A&M (PS)
@ Colorado
Kansas (PS)
@ Tech
Oklahoma (RS)
@ Missouri (P)
I-State
@ Nebraska (PS)
03.07
Tech
@ I-State (PS)
Colorado
@ K-State (PS)
Texas
@ Kansas (PS)
Missouri (PS)
@ A&M
Nebraska
@ Baylor (PS)
O-State
@ Oklahoma (PS)

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Comments

Best Win - Mizzou?

Should be Texas, obviously.

Surprisingly, the computers love Mizzou more than Texas

Missouri: Pomeroy #13, Sagarin #20
Texas: Pomeroy #26, Sagarin #24

I agree with you, in terms of perception, but in terms of predicted strength, Missouri is considered the better team right now. Now, that could change, especially if the Longhorns beat the Tigers this week.

Should that happen, I will of course update the chart. Frankly, I think our best win is yet to come. That would be the one over the Phlaw on the Kaw. Valentine’s Day Blizzard!

Still think Texas is a better win than Missouri?

:)

Ooh, funny trifecta I just thought of

Texas beat Oregon in Hawai’i, Oregon beat us at home, we beat Texas in Austin. So who’s the best team?

These are always worthless fun.

That's something we leave to the BCS

And I believe Oregon will get the BCS spot, and Texas is going to whine.

Oh wait, wrong sport…..

Interesting as always

I fear that, even were we to go on a run to finish 10-6 and fifth place in the conferece, Baylor would still receive the NCAA bid as long as they get their act together. We’ll be screwed over by the fact that we play in the North and our loss to Baylor in Manhattan.

Also, the BU/KU game tonight is going to be very interesting. Baylor is going to be that dangerous, wounded animal that’s backed into a corner. If KU can overcome that and win in Waco, I will be very impressed.

Agreed, but...

I really don’t think people (and not you necessarily; Powertards, mostly) are factoring in the Last 12 games stat properly. What that tells the committee is that we have a young team that grew immensely and played its best ball in March. We absolutely did not have that the last two years; both the 06-07 and 07-08 teams melted down a little down the stretch. This team will not, if only because of the schedule. Carry that momentum into the conference tourney and we shall see what we shall see.

To continue...

Depending on who beats who, I’m afraid if Baylor has one win less than us in Big 12 play, they would jump over us in the minds of ‘Powertards’ due to the difference in non-con schedules and their big win over us. We have no big non-con wins, Cleveland State are you kidding me?, and that will hurt us if we end up 4th or 5th in the Big 12. 10-6 may not be good enough, even with a 2nd day win in the Big 12 tourney especially if we were to lose big on the 3rd day. 11-5 should be good enough if we play well in the Big 12 tourney, since that would be an 11-1 finish in the Big 12. Even then, the ‘Powertards’ would care more about our weak non-con and our 0-4 start, while forgetting about the 11-1 finish.

In the end I think Texas will be a few wins ahead of Mizzou and our win over Texas will be one of our best since they will likely be in the top 3. It won’t matter though if we don’t finish real strong and beat a few more NCAA teams, while beating all the lesser teams without trouble. That means we’d better run up the score on CU and Tech as much as we can. If we continue to play as we have against Mizzou and Texas, I see us playing in a four letter tourney, but one slip up along the way could be the difference. Go Get ’em Cats!

I think we have a miscommunication problem

“Powertards” are posters at GoPowercat.com who are incapable of critical thinking, not external critics of the program.

Anyhow, KU’s win tonight was actually great for us. When we beat the Hawks, it will be even more of an RPI boost, and this will drop Baylor to 8-8 in Friday’s projections. Now we need OSU to drop one they shouldn’t as well. (Maybe to us?)

As long as Baylor and OSU finish two games back of us, I don’t think they can pull a Tech ‘06-like jump over us. Teams that fall apart this bad in conference play don’t go to the Dance. And I continue to maintain that the Big 12 is getting at least 5 in. Lunardi has us with a 6th bubble team right now, too.

I just read that almost no mid-major conferences are expected to take up automatic bids. Even if the Big East goes over its usual 7-8 by 1-2 teams, it won’t really matter. The Big 12 is at least the 4th best conference. We’ll be fine as long as we keep winning.

In the last paragraph

“automatic” should read “at-large.” Time for bed if I’m making mistakes like that.

Respect?

Does anyone monitor this blog: http://bracketproject.50webs.com/matrix.htm

They track the many different bracketologist predictions throughout the year and, even after impressive back-to-back upsets over Mizzou and Texas, there’s little recognition of K-State at all.

I don’t think we’re in already, but for no one to see the Cats as a tourney team at this point? Harsh.

A&M and Ok. St. in ahead of us, according to the composite prediction...
We just don't have...

…the non-conference heft to be in the discussion right now. If we take care of business against Iowa State and Texas Tech in the next two weeks, and steal a road game from Texas A&M and protect Bramlage against the birds, we’ll be in the discussion.

A&M obviously the big game of the next three?

Obviously, ISU and Texas Tech should be gimmes. The big one would be beating another projected tourney team on the road in the Aggies.

Should that not happen, I still think the Cats deserve some consideration if they knock off Mizzou on the road or KU at home.

Yeah...

Except that A&M is not a tourney team. They can’t win on the road.

Baylor has one good road win (us) and OSU has one marginal road win (Nubb). It just depends on how it all plays out, but I think our schedule gives us the upper hand if we seize the opportunity. Things have to play out how I projected for us to even have a chance, though. We MUST got 7-2 from here on out and not lose any ugly games (i.e., to any of the 1-5 teams).

This is my favorite series of posts...

I find this to be fascinating.

Thank you, as always

Same to you. Check out TB’s link re: the Big 12 therapy sessions, the silly Squawks and their ignorance of their own school’s cheating ways. It’s hilarious.

KSU -12.5 tonight?

That might be a little optimistic, don’t you think? Brackins will be good enough against the Cats’ post game to keep it to single digits – I’m thinking K-State by 7.

Sutton will be on Brackins

I actually think we’ll blow them out. Usually when a team comes in that has been playing teams tough but still losing, like Texas A&M last year, our pressure is a slap in the face and they just melt down in the OOD.

J-Mart's article this morning...

…actually said Sutton won’t be guarding Brackins.

I really hope we’re not going to try and defend Brackins with Darren Kent and Luis Colon.

Samuels

He’s nearly Sutton’s equal in some respects, especially in length. As long as he stays out of cheap of fouls…

And Darren is a more able defender than most people give him credit for.

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